Holders to use the obtuse corners of C* inserts.

Holders to use the obtuse corners of C* inserts.

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  • #10817
    Robin Graham
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      @robingraham42208
      #542198
      Robin Graham
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        @robingraham42208

        I have quite a few CCMT/CCGT inserts which are worn or chipped on the 80 degree corners but pristine on the 100 degree. I can't find holders to use the 100 degree corners though – probably not using the right search terms. They must exist!

        Can anyone advise?

        Robin.

        #542199
        Paul Lousick
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          @paullousick59116

          I have seen them but only on DIY forums. You may have to make your own.

          Paul

          #542200
          David Colwill
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            @davidcolwill19261

            Hi,

            Here is a link to APT Link

            If you google the tool code (SCBCRxxxx) you may find them on eBay.

            David.

            Edited By David Colwill on 29/04/2021 05:54:49

            #542202
            DiogenesII
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              @diogenesii

              UK made and cheap..

              JB Tools

              #542203
              JasonB
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                @jasonb

                You can also get SClCL which is the left hand one for facing, I got both L & R from JB Tools.

                Edited By JasonB on 29/04/2021 06:55:32

                #542205
                David George 1
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                  @davidgeorge1

                  I have one from JB tools l can turn and face with same tool holder.

                  David

                  #542209
                  robjon44
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                    @robjon44

                    Back in the day we campaigned 80 degree rhombic turning tools using 12 16 & 19mm tips, we also had holders to use up the obtuse angled corners as well, these murdered things like square or other irregular shaped components in both steel & cast iron & saved the company vast amounts of money! If you are as tight fisted as I am it is perfectly feasible to make your own, don't ask me how I know, set out from positive rake tips in the home workshop.

                    BobH

                    #542210
                    Clive Foster
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                      @clivefoster55965

                      i have a Sandvick branded one that I regularily forget to use so the pile of inserts with good 80° corners just keeps piling up.

                      Rhombic inserts do a decent job at both turning and facing when the tool is set at 90° to the bed that its so convenient not to bother changing. Especially as being a mostly HSS guyI don't use "that" many inserts. Averages out about 2 or 3 a year so the bargain stash of 6 Sandvick boxes bought "mumble-mumble" years ago is lasting well.

                      Clive

                      Edited By Clive Foster on 29/04/2021 08:51:25

                      #542211
                      Niels Abildgaard
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                        @nielsabildgaard33719

                        An old describtion of a homemade,ultra-rigid

                        Toolingship

                        #542217
                        Andrew Tinsley
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                          @andrewtinsley63637

                          I had exactly the same problem and I was guided towards Jenny Blackwell of JB Tools. She has exactly what you want at the right price and I believe they are made in the UK.

                          Andrew.

                          #542220
                          Bo’sun
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                            @bosun58570

                            Another vote for JB tools

                            #542221
                            jacques maurel
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                              @jacquesmaurel42310

                              Hello

                              I've sent a detailed article to Neil (MEW editor) on how to machine these tip holders and others, just wait for the publication.

                              JM

                              #542233
                              Howard Lewis
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                                @howardlewis46836

                                Greenwood Tools used to sell such holders so that the 100 degree corners could be used. They are shutting down, so be quick and take a look, if Jenny Blackwell can't help you.

                                I use mine for roughing, but they give a good finish anyway.

                                Howard

                                Edited By Howard Lewis on 29/04/2021 12:25:14

                                #542261
                                Daniel
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                                  @daniel

                                  I

                                  heart

                                  JB Cutting Tools

                                  #542323
                                  Robin Graham
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                                    @robingraham42208

                                    Thanks all – just what I needed. I have bought inserts from JB (and had excellent service), but didn't think to look there. An order will be winging its way to JB.

                                    Niels – thanks for the link to your ultra-rigid holder. That looks good. Apart from your holder, the thread is informative in general about the use of carbide tooling in a home workshop.

                                    It's sad to hear that Greenwood is closing. I have a KIT-Q-CUT parting tool which I bought from them years ago at a show (remember shows?). It's a wonderful tool – zips its way though pretty much anything.

                                    Robin.

                                    #542354
                                    Niels Abildgaard
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                                      @nielsabildgaard33719

                                      Hello Graham

                                      Thank You for kind words.

                                      There are pictures of Your lathe in album.

                                      What is size of lathe and can I have a picture of the headstock with internals?

                                      And spindle bearing numbers?

                                      I am interested as the screwcutting geartrain seems to be the same as in my future (and latest. I swear) dream lathe.

                                      Chineese of course and a 38mm bore for 1000$ called CJ0625.

                                      The same gentleman explain carbide part off tooling (and I hijack the thread here)

                                      Step parting

                                      Edited By Niels Abildgaard on 30/04/2021 09:15:08

                                      #542486
                                      Robin Graham
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                                        @robingraham42208

                                        Hi Neils. My lathe is of the generic Chinese 12×36 design – there are many variations, but the particular variant I have came from Axminster Tools. You can find a manual which gives some info about the headstock / screwcutting gearbox internals here . In the US Grizzly used to sell a very similar machine, marketed as a gunsmith's lathe – the (rather more detailed) manual for their variant can be found here . The Grizzly headstock spindle and gearbox arrangements appear to be identical to those in my machine, but the threading / power feed box is somewhat different.

                                        [Edit] I had a quick look and it seems the CJ0625 – if that's the one you're looking at- is an entirely different animal, so the above might not be of much use!

                                        If I can help further it might be better to continue discussion by private message, as its a bit off-topic here.

                                        Thanks for the link to the discussion of carbide parting tools on HMEM. Your step parting technique is interesting – as well as the Greenwood tool (which uses 2.2mm Sandvik Coromant inserts I think) I have an ARC tool which uses 3mm GTN inserts, so it could be a useful method for me in some circumstances.

                                        Robin.

                                         

                                         

                                        Edited By Robin Graham on 30/04/2021 23:11:42

                                        Edited By Robin Graham on 30/04/2021 23:15:04

                                        Edited By Robin Graham on 30/04/2021 23:18:17

                                        #542489
                                        Niels Abildgaard
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                                          @nielsabildgaard33719

                                          Hello Robin and thank You for links.

                                          Exactly what I wanted to look at.

                                          The CJ0625 is a very different animal but the procedure described in the Grizzly manual of Yours is universal for adjusting spindle bearings and has been bookmarked.

                                          Niels

                                          #542753
                                          Ian Hewson
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                                            @ianhewson99641

                                            Another thumbs up for JB tools, great service from Jenny and some spare tips thrown in free gratis.
                                            first time I have used them, but not the last.

                                            ian

                                            #543670
                                            ega
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                                              @ega

                                              The Glanze holders I bought from Axminster came with this card:

                                              glanze_edited-1.jpg

                                              SCBCR and SCKCR use the 100 deg corner.

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