Crime rate

[Anthony KnightsParticipant @anthonyknights16741]

I haven't seen or heard of any data on the present crime rate, but i would think that certain crimes are being drastically reduced by the current lockdown restrictions.

Burglary.- as a lot more homes are occupied 24/7 I would hope that the burglary rate for domestic premises would have gone down.

Shoplifting.-The majority of shops are shut, so one one would assume shoplifting crimes would decrease.

There is a lot less travel, so no speed camera fines, no parking fines or other excuses for milking the motorist. I bet the councils are really p#ssed off with that.

I know there is increased income from the pillocks who have been fined not obeying the social distancing rules, but that is a drop in the ocean, compared with what has been lost.

Discuss

[Anthony KnightsParticipant @anthonyknights16741]

unintention consequenses

[Pete RimmerParticipant @peterimmer30576]

Burglary rates are up actually. a guy on another forum had his shed broken into and they said they were getting 10x the usual number of that type of call.

As for speeding, I saw three speed traps in a single day the week before last – in one 24 mile journey. Whether it's because cops couldn't car-share or because the roads were deathly quiet and it was encouraging people to drive faster I don't know but they were out there with the speed guns. Only saw one the whole of last week though.

No parking fines in the City of London right now – no traffic wardens to issue them. I guess that will change pretty soon now.

[OldironParticipant @oldiron]

Speed cameras still working and bringing in revenue across the country. ANPR vans and cameras still working the roads. Was one at the bottom of my road on Friday. Parking wardens still active in my area.

From the few articles I have read it appears that cases of really high speeds have increased since the shut down, resulting in higher fines and penalties.

A burglary happened in the next street last week and I spoke to the chap yesterday from my window and he said that he has had no visit from the police as yet. So no change there then.

Morrisons posted that they have had a big increase in booze thefts. Our corner shop ( has not closed or decreased hours) has had more attempted shop lifting in the last few weeks. So maybe burglary has declined a bit but social problems have increased many fold.

regards

[Ex contributorParticipant @mgnbuk]

so no speed camera fines

Mobile speed cameras still operating in North Yorkshire & there are reports indicating that the number of prosecutions for speeding offences has increased despite lower traffic levels. This confirms what I have seen since returning to work after my "furlough" was lifted after Easter – far less traffic on the M63/M1/A1M, but a lot of that is travelling regularly at elevated speeds. Stopping for red traffic lights also appears to have become optional. Can't say I have seen a marked change in Traffic Police activity – there was very little before the lockdown & there is very little during it.

Domestic violence offences also reported to have increased.

Nigel B.

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Crime fell anyway last year in the UK (don't know why), so it might be hard to tell what's caused by the lock-down and other factors. No figures yet for the lock-down period so it's all speculation.

My guess is there will be a massive spike in fraud. To keep the economy going the government launched a number of gigantic financial support schemes very quickly. Hundreds of billions of money have been flung at the problem in just a few months. Given the emergency it's unlikely that any of these schemes have been carefully thought through and impeccably administered. And loopholes, high-transaction volumes and imperfect supervision are excellent for large-scale white-collar crime. 80% Furlough claimed for thousands of non-existent staff? Dodgy PPE and Vaccine Contracts? Price gouging? Corruption…

Crimes like Domestic violence and child-cruelty also likely to rise. As the kids aren't going to school, and are locked down with their abusers, who knows what's going on?

Sadly, bad people always take advantage of bad situations. All they need is opportunity.

Dave

[John Paton 1Participant @johnpaton1]

And of course loads of fly tipping everywhere!

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Domestic violence has increased sharply.

Burglary is down.

Apparently drug money is collecting in UK cities because it's become difficult to launder it…

Neil

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 10/05/2020 17:32:45:

80% Furlough claimed for thousands of non-existent staff?

I don't think its remotely easy to do that…

Neil

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

Posted by Anthony Knights on 10/05/2020 16:40:19:

There is a lot less travel, so no speed camera fines, no parking fines or other excuses for milking the motorist. I bet the councils are really p#ssed off with that.

Councils will get "emergency covid-19 council tax powers" next year to make up the shortfall

Government criminals always make a profit

[Nigel McBurney 1Participant @nigelmcburney1]

Currently I only travel to 7 miles to Sainsburys early on friday mornings,and same distance to the chippy once a week,and over the lock down period I have seen at least one police vehicle every time,very often two and on one occasion 3,and was followed for several miles by two police cars on the A32 Hampshire.W.hen things were normal you never saw a police car. Our Neibourhood watch has been fairly quiet in this rural area,apart from sheds broken into and quad bikes thieved,

[JAParticipant @ja]

A friend's son is a policeman and he reports that, locally, minor crime have dropped considerably. This is due to the closure of pubs, so not alcohol fuelled fights at closing time. One could say it has gone domestic.

I did get the impression that the police do not like trying to enforce the 2m separation rule.

JA

[Mike PooleParticipant @mikepoole82104]

I think fines for sunbathing in the park are up

Mike

[MWParticipant @mw27036]

whoa it's been a long time.

Sup yall.

[RMAParticipant @rma]

Posted by JA on 11/05/2020 09:04:41:

I did get the impression that the police do not like trying to enforce the 2m separation rule.

JA

Yes that's quite true. In the main, the Police have to deal with the scum of society and a lot of the rebels of social distancing fall into this category I'm afraid. Experienced Police officers will think more than twice before taking action. They, like those poor health workers have unsuitable protection (if any), so why would they risk getting infected and taking it back to their family.

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 10/05/2020 23:48:26:

Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 10/05/2020 17:32:45:

80% Furlough claimed for thousands of non-existent staff?

I don't think its remotely easy to do that…

Neil

True. But then it wasn't easy to manipulate LIBOR either! Ponzi Schemes are tricky to organise and ENRON featured much creative naughtiness. ENRON was triggered by careless deregulation of the US Energy Market by President Reagan – bad implementation of a good idea opened Pandora's box. Time will tell!

Dave

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

My wife told me of a conversation, yesterday, with someone from near Birmingham.

Two houses along had a barbeque party with 15-20 people on the front lawn (4 or 5 cars arrived in the cul de sac).

Those houses are small – been in one – and the lawns are not that much bigger than the proverbial postage stamp. It will be little surprise if the covid infection rate rises in the near future. Those people are idiots!

I might suggest that was just another unreported crime….

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 11/05/2020 10:19:17:

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 10/05/2020 23:48:26:

Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 10/05/2020 17:32:45:

80% Furlough claimed for thousands of non-existent staff?

I don't think its remotely easy to do that…

Neil

True. But then it wasn't easy to manipulate LIBOR either! Ponzi Schemes are tricky to organise and ENRON featured much creative naughtiness. ENRON was triggered by careless deregulation of the US Energy Market by President Reagan – bad implementation of a good idea opened Pandora's box. Time will tell!

Dave

Then there was the car crime in NZ recently when 97 vehicles were stolen from a fenced enclosure over one weekend. Doubtless the company will improve security after that little episode. Most vehicles have been recovered (probably because the roads were quiet and traffic flows easily monitored and by virtue of the gang not being that clever). Organised crime has not yet been organised sufficiently to hammer the furlough payments – yet. But they might well be looking at it seriously🙂 .

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