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[pgk pgkParticipant @pgkpgk17461]

John Paton 1

Can I ask that if you make a statement such as ferrets catching covid19 you provide a link to such a statement so the rest of us can try and make an assesment of it's validity?

In a previous post I provided a link claiming 0.1% sodium hypochlorite will kill this virus in a minute. Bleach sounds harsh but Milton is bleach and sounds much more cuddly. I'm not advocating using it for regular hand washing but I doubt that the odd rinse in 0.1% sodium hypochlorite is a real concern.

Survival of contamination on surfaces is always affected by factors such as associated dirt protecting the germ, the specific heat of the substrate, temperature and humidity of environment and UV light which is why we see such disparate figures.

It's an RNA virus although that distinction is academic for discussion here.

The bigger problem is how long this lockdown is going to last. I'd forcast several weeks – probably 3 mths if gov can keep control and sort out food delivery schedules. If one looks back at Wuhan then that's been going nearly 4 mths with stricter isolation than here and they are only just allowing new folk in – but no-one out.

pgk

[John Paton 1Participant @johnpaton1]

Daily Mirror News feed yesterday – Ghent University Belgium

sorry but I don’t know how to create a link from the news feeds

[John Paton 1Participant @johnpaton1]

Daily Mirror News feed yesterday – Ghent University Belgium

sorry but I don’t know how to create a link from the news feeds

if you do a Google search on ferrets and Corvid 19 you get a number of hits on what appear to be trustworthy sources – ferrets are used for testing as they are known to be susceptible to this type of virus.

[John Paton 1Participant @johnpaton1]

Daily Mirror News feed yesterday – Ghent University Belgium

sorry but I don’t know how to create a link from the news feeds

if you do a Google search on ferrets and Corvid 19 you get a number of hits on what appear to be trustworthy sources – ferrets are used for testing as they are known to be susceptible to this type of virus.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by pgk pgk on 28/03/2020 22:51:44:

John Paton 1

Can I ask that if you make a statement such as ferrets catching covid19 you provide a link to such a statement so the rest of us can try and make an assesment of it's validity?

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John is clearly struggling with his links … but I have found this story elsewhere: **LINK**

https://www.dawsoncreekmirror.ca/rapid-response-covid-19-science-conducted-by-father-and-daughter-virologists-1.24098371

MichaelG.

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Edit: See also : https://www.milabs.com/milabs-enhances-micro-ct-for-coronavirus-covid-19-research/

… Where ferrets are on the cast-list.

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 29/03/2020 09:55:28

[Nicholas FarrParticipant @nicholasfarr14254]

Hi, Wednesday 25th I made an on-line order with CPC.co.uk, it arrived yesterday morning (Sat 28th) at my normal Postie time. Postie rang the bell and was stood a safe distance away when I answered the door and he asked if I wanted him to pass it to me or place it on top of a box that is fixed to the wall beside my door. I stepped back and said to put it on the box, which he did.

Regards Nick.

[pgk pgkParticipant @pgkpgk17461]

Michael, John (et al)

My quick scan of Michaels two links states (if I read it right) they are using ferrets as a model for coronavirus response in man. That;s nowhere near the same thing as saying they can carry COVID-19 or pass it on. In fact the implication is that they have a coronavirus of their own that behaves similarly much asa lot of the work on HIV was done by Glasgow vet school using cats with their version FIV for modelling and trying therapies and vaccine approaches.

I did find a newspaper link to the reported cat case in Belgium and commented on that in this thread Link

Once again I'm not saying they can't get, carry, pass on COVID-19 just saying that none of the articles state that with any clarity and will be hyped by journalism and then risk becoming web dogma.

Many years ago i dug an airgun pellet out of a young cat's spine that was compressing the chord and causing paresis. Local paper heard about this and sent a reporter. I showed him the pre-op x-ray and he dug a ruler out of his pocket and then stated that less than 2 inches lower down it would have hit the heart. I pointed out that less than 1" higher it would have missed the cat.

What is worring is that if one uses the FIP cat as a model then their coronavirus has been rattling about for decades, vaccines have proven pretty useless and like COVID-19 many show no signs and some get devastating untreatable disease. Gov is now gently nudging the public to accept longer lockdowns and months after for distancing. I read this as the reality that we are all going to (have) to catch this sooner or later so the world can get back to more normal.- hopefully with some better treatment options and fewer patients at any one time. And thats without knowing about any longer term implications – heart, lung, organ damage

pgk

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by pgk pgk on 29/03/2020 10:32:54:

Michael, John (et al)

My quick scan of Michaels two links states (if I read it right) they are using ferrets as a model for coronavirus response in man. That;s nowhere near the same thing as saying they can carry COVID-19 or pass it on.

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Understood, pgk

Those were just the first two credible references that I found to ferrets.

MichaelG.

[Nick Clarke 3Participant @nickclarke3]

Has anyone seen quoted anywhere what is the survival time of the virus away from an infected host, say a parcel or indeed a cat who has been coughed or sneezed on??

[SteviegtrParticipant @steviegtr]

Posted by Nick Clarke 3 on 29/03/2020 11:17:25:

Has anyone seen quoted anywhere what is the survival time of the virus away from an infected host, say a parcel or indeed a cat who has been coughed or sneezed on??

There has been so many claims to that question. Not sure they actually really know for definite.

Steve.

[mark smith 20Participant @marksmith20]

I read a scientific paper saying it can survive for 3 hours in the air . What does this mean other than floating around in the atmosphere???? If it can float around in the air for a while and hit you in the face it sounds quite frightening.

[John Paton 1Participant @johnpaton1]

Posted by John Paton 1 on 29/03/2020 08:38:26:

Daily Mirror News feed yesterday – Ghent University Belgium

sorry but I don’t know how to create a link from the news feeds

if you do a Google search on ferrets and Corvid 19 you get a number of hits on what appear to be trustworthy sources – ferrets are used for testing as they are known to be susceptible to this type of virus.

Now on laptop so can quote the link re cat: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/cat-tests-positive-coronavirus-after-21770384

[old martParticipant @oldmart]

I have just got a refund from the ebay supplier, so they had probably run out of stock accidently. Another supplier of the same items has marked up as posted, so I'm hopeful this time.

[Former MemberParticipant @formermember19781]

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[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Nick Clarke 3 on 29/03/2020 11:17:25:

Has anyone seen quoted anywhere what is the survival time of the virus away from an infected host, say a parcel or indeed a cat who has been coughed or sneezed on??

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From my post on the ‘Sanitiser’ thread …

This appears to be reasonably authoritative: **LINK**

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/03/why-soap-preferable-bleach-fight-against-coronavirus/

I find it particularly interesting that the virus survives so long on stainless steel surfaces … which are what we tend to use for the sake of cleanliness

MichaelG.

[pgk pgkParticipant @pgkpgk17461]

I did find an article (a few days ago, memory forgets where) re coronavirus survival at 0, 20,& 40C with relative humidities of 0, 50 & 100% which generally showed 50% humidity destroyed it best and a slight beneit at 40C over 20C but longevity at 0C.

I'd speculate that the specific heat of stainless keeps the viral particles cooler and that could fit with Michaels link re wood , paper and plastic survivals. Copper as the wild card due to it's surface oxides being toxic to many organisms.????

pgk

[SamsarandaParticipant @samsaranda]

Wife and I both isolating because of health conditions, having to rely, at the moment, on online shopping; trawling through the internet today to find a supplier of gluten free cereals and came across the following on Amazon UK:

Nestles Gluten free Honey Corn Flakes £22.89 plus £11.99 delivery (albeit shipped from Greece) usual price in the region of £2.00

This is blatant profiteering and Amazon should be ashamed at being a party to this practice, but on the other hand the owner of Amazon is probably the richest person on the planet and he didn’t get there by being benevolent and not forgetting his Organization is reluctant at best to pay any taxes in countries where they operate. I would bet that the emergency legislation that Parliament has recently passed didn’t provide any measures to tackle profiteering.
Dave W

[OldironParticipant @oldiron]

On the Amazon page click on (report incorrect product information) Fill in as required Hopefully they will do something about it. Unless people tell them about these things it is unlikely that they will fix it.

regards

[Bob RodgersonParticipant @bobrodgerson97362]

Dave, you don't have to buy it, We have shopped online for groceries for at least the last five or six years and until the Covid-19 outbreak had no trouble getting what we needed. However, as soon as panic buying in the supermarkets stared we noticed people all around us that never, as far as we knew, had home delivery were suddenly getting deliveries thus extending the panic buying to home deliveries.

What we have noticed since is that the supermarkets are getting to grips with the situation by limiting deliveries to a maximum of 80 items, since this has been introduced my wife has been able to arrange a delivery slot much sooner than the previous shop which had something like a 10 day wait. Also we were able to get almost everything we needed so I have no doubt that you should be able to get your Gluten free Cereals from the likes of Tesco or Sainsburys fairly easily and certainly a lot cheaper than those shipped from Greece

[pgk pgkParticipant @pgkpgk17461]

Bob,

My wife has had home deliveries from sainsbury for 9 years. Currently no supermarket has delivery slots for here at all as far as their systems allow. Indeed I'd speculate that its ruralism at work again and all the trucks have been moved to urban deliveries.

What i don't understand is why no deliver all night too. there must be plenty of truck drivers looking for work with the rest of shops locked down. I'd happily take a 3am slot if I needed stuff. Use the darned trucks 24/7.

I nipped out for milk, newspaper and catfood – good news Bombay Sapphire on special – always a silver lining

pgk

[Former MemberParticipant @formermember19781]

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[pgk pgkParticipant @pgkpgk17461]

Waitrose, Morrisons, Iceland don't deliver around here anyway. I may be 70 but I refuse to consider myself vulnerable (yet) or take a slot from someone who might need it more. I have good PPE and commonsense and rural distances reduce hazard (so far). the biggest risk around her is being stuck behind a flock of sheep being walked down the road and starving en route (unless you like raw lamb).

On any rumour of a case within nearest supermarket distance we go into absolute lockdown. We're used to contingency planning for bad weather out here and freezers/larders are full as usual.

pgk

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