Black 5 in 5″ finally has beaten me

[Ron HancockParticipant @ronhancock63652]

I have checked and changed them all and checked both not leaking I thought the same

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

I've had various problems to solve over the years and some can't be solved when you get too close or work on them too much, there's too much clutter

Walking away and forgetting about it for a while (6 to 8 weeks) then coming back to it with a fresh clean mind can sometimes yield amazing results

[blowlampParticipant @blowlamp]

Just in case you haven't seen this.

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[J HancockParticipant @jhancock95746]

Just one last thought about the ' locking up' of the motion.

Are the end of cylinder drain valve holes really at the end of the cylinders ?

It is possible that they are being covered by the piston as it gets to the end of its stroke.

This would stop the condensate( water) getting away freely and cause your problem.

[Ron HancockParticipant @ronhancock63652]

Yes they seem to be at the ends I have fitted auto drains yesterday just got to try a fire in it now and see.

If that does not work I will strip out pistons and have a look

Many thanks

Ron

[BC ProfParticipant @bcprof]

Is the lubricator supplying sufficient oil??

[Ron HancockParticipant @ronhancock63652]

Hi I checked lubricator found it missed often so I adjusted Spring now working fine.

Hoping to try at the club tomorrow fingers crossed

[Ron HancockParticipant @ronhancock63652]

Well today was a good day with help from boiler inspector at club found the injector after bleeding now filling boiler but its not dry its leaking out of the bottom but is now working with the reeves number 4 injector.

The wheels locked up again once pressure reached we took the new Auto drains out loads water came out and wheels became free.

i have ordered 4 516 manuel drains at least i know when they are working.

Just got to sort the axle pump working now at least i have some hope this time

Ron

[julian atkinsParticipant @julianatkins58923]

Well, Ron, that wasnt too bad a day really.

Disappointing that still a few niggles, but you have a perfect injector in the post to try out next time.

The next steam up hopefully will be far more successful for you!

Cheers,

Julian

[Ron HancockParticipant @ronhancock63652]

Yes a lot more positive I was ready to give up.

I thought the reeves injector was not working but after we took pipe of the front of injector it finally started working.

Whilst it was still working connected back up and it started feeding into Boiler.

It's still leaking from bottom of injector but at least feel positive now.

I was very surprised with the Drain valves so much came out once removed.

Looking forward to fitting the new ones

Ron

[J HancockParticipant @jhancock95746]

Ron, that's a much better result.

I think there was a touch of truth in what I wrote about the position of the drain valve holes.

Make sure that when you fit your new manual drain valves they do NOT finish flush with the cylinder bore.

And not too tight , thread seal with silicone RTV to get the position right.

[Ron HancockParticipant @ronhancock63652]

Hi John yes will do I am going to fit larger ones I have ordered 5/16 by 32 as the old ones had a thread of 1/4 by 2.

Thought it better to re drill and tap new thread so.

Very disappointed with the Auto drain 4 not working

Ron

[Ron HancockParticipant @ronhancock63652]

Well some great news at last Julian Atkins lent me one of his working injectors tried it working brilliant.

Also fitted 4 new 516 by 32 cylinder drains now working fine no more wheels locking.

Also fitted a new 2" by 1 12 oil pump as the other was very small and no where near as good as the one i had from steam fittings well pleased.

Just have to make a new reversing left hand threaded as other was so small broke of last week

Lets hope i will be able to finally drive it Sunday bet it Rains

All the best Ron

PS thank you all for your help especially Julian thank you

[Brian HParticipant @brianh50089]

I'm so glad you are feeling more positive about your engine after all the problems Ron, I'll have my fingers crossed on Sunday, both for the weather and for you.

[julian atkinsParticipant @julianatkins58923]

I am very pleased to here of Ron's progress. He now knows that with a decent proven injector there is nothing now wrong with his check valves or pipework.

Incidentally the injector Ron sent me that arrived in today's post that wouldnt work had a sliver of brass stuck between the two parts of the combining cone. It was still attached to the hole drilled for the internal check valve seat above, so was a defective example, and should never have been sold, though other design aspects of it require rectifying too.

I really do not know how the commercial ME suppliers can peddle such defective and badly made products. In Ron's case he has a commercial injector that had brass stuck in it, a batch of inline check valves that Polly accepted leaked badly and were not fit for purpose, and a set of commercial auto cylinder drain cocks that didnt work. Plus there were issues with leaks on the new commercial boiler.

Ron must have the patience of Job to keep at it, and also must be the unluckiest model engineer with regard to the stuff he has bought from reputable ME suppliers.

I had a big issue with Polly last year when they sold a friend of mine a commercial injector that was incapable of working due to very poor workmanship and design. Polly accepted the injector was faulty, but my friend is still waiting for a refund. Polly then had the cheek to ask if I would make them injectors because of issues with their supplier!

Cheers,

Julian

[Ron HancockParticipant @ronhancock63652]

Big thank you Julian I have been trying to sort the two new Injectors for last few months thinking it was my fault.

Fitting yours it worked at once I was amazed it's so hard to think that so much ME stuff is below par.

For a novice it's double trouble as you think of the shelf parts would be a good standard .

I know will never ever take it for granted they are right.

I was about to give up as so many problems I thought it was not possible for me to Finnish.

Thanks to Julian I am getting my interest back again and looking forward to trying it Sunday if it's not raining.

Fingers crossed for Sunday

Ron

[Ron HancockParticipant @ronhancock63652]

Posted by Brian Hutchings on 02/09/2016 19:42:49:

I'm so glad you are feeling more positive about your engine after all the problems Ron, I'll have my fingers crossed on Sunday, both for the weather and for you.

Thank you Brian

[Ron HancockParticipant @ronhancock63652]

Well if it's not Raining tomorrow going to try her out.

Borrowed injector of Julian fitted new Manual drain valves new Oil pump .

Steamed well in workshop think she will be OK to Run at last.

Ron

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