Bell making

[David SnaithParticipant @davidsnaith81848]

Hi,

I need to make a small bell. It can only be about 17mm dia x 15mm high. I need it to ring as loudly, richly, and sustained as possible.

My first thought was to try spinning some brass or nickel silver into a bell shape. But I am also open to the idea of machining it out of solid.

Does anyone have any experience with such a thing? Specifically I am looking for insights into materials, hardness, shape, wall thickness, and anything else that might help me produce a beautiful, loud, sustained ring from a ridiculously small bell.

Thanks in advance.

[David SnaithParticipant @davidsnaith81848]

[David George 1Participant @davidgeorge1]

Hi David have you been to the bell foundry in Loughborough they make bells of many sizes from Big Ben to hand bells they are all cast in bell metal a hard brass material it cannot be spun but only cast and machined to correct thickness and size to get right tone etc. Have a look at their site looking for small and hand bells. Taylorbells.co.uk well worth a look and visit.

David

[Nick WheelerParticipant @nickwheeler]

That's a tiny bell and very odd proportions, that are extremely unlikely to give the sort of noise and tone you want.

Bell metal is a bronze alloy, not brass.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

I agree that a visit to Taylor's foundry should be interesting

… 'though it must have been the early 70s that I went.

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You may also try contacting Dr. Hibbert, who appears to be rather good on the theoretical side:

**LINK** http://www.hibberts.co.uk/index.htm

MichaelG.

[Ian S CParticipant @iansc]

David, the size is fairly large for putting on a cat's collar, but not much, but a bell that size will tinkle rather than ring, or chime.

Ian S C

[BazParticipant @baz89810]

Ian SC how do we know the bell is destined for a cats collar? I have read every word of the previous posts and nowhere is a cat mentioned.

[David SnaithParticipant @davidsnaith81848]

Baz, I think Ian was just using the cat collar bell as an analogue, implying that a bell that small is unlikely to ring like big ben.

Thank you all for your input – I really appreciate the benefit of your combined experiences.

I have a sample bell that is only a little larger than the bell I need. It rings beautifully. It is deep drawn on a 7 stage progressive die. I believe it is made from UNS C75200 nickel silver. It gives me hope that what I am trying to do might be possible, but alas, I don't have a progressive die.

[Ian S CParticipant @iansc]

I imagine that after the final tooling the bell would be left in the work hardened state as metal in the annealed state has a dull tone. The reference to the cat was a bit tongue in cheek, and not to belittle your efforts.

Ian S C

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

http://www.bell-outlet.com/Christmas-Bells/Small-Liberty-Bells.htm

But bear in mind what Liberty Bells are celebrating

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[george AldousParticipant @georgealdous13656]

Neil, I always say a liberty bell celebrates the fact that we had the good sense to get out of the americas before it all went wrong..

[David SnaithParticipant @davidsnaith81848]

Ian, no offence taken at all. I appreciated your analogy.

Neil, leaving geopolitical history aside, what I find interesting about the liberty bell videos is that, while pitch is related to size, resonance is not. Some of the smaller bells rang much more clearly that some of the larger ones. There is a magic going on that I do not understand.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by David Snaith on 24/02/2019 14:00:02:

Some of the smaller bells rang much more clearly that some of the larger ones. There is a magic going on that I do not understand.

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I suspect that there are two significant 'variables' at work:

1. The spectrum of harmonics [i.e. the tuning of the bell]
2. The stiffness of the material from which it is made [generally speaking, stiffer materials have higher Q]

MichaelG.

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