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    Franco Convertini
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      @francoconvertini28916

      Hello, I want to make a worm gear for this gear. Could you tell me what pitch I need to set? Thanks, Franco.myford

      #866401
      DC31k
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        @dc31k

        The gear specification is given in GHT’s book, in connection with the headstock dividing attachment. See:

        https://www.hemingwaykits.com/HK149X

        If you wish to learn fishing instead of just being thrown a fish finger, you can upskill to answer the question yourself.

        Gears have three specifying parameters: no. of teeth, diametral pitch and pressure angle. You do not need any further skills to identify the first of these. If you read Ivan Law’s excellent book, you will learn how to calculate the second of these.

        Download GearDXF software and print out on paper gears using those two parameters and guessing at the pressure angle. You only have two choices. Offer the print out up to the gear  and see which of the two fits best.

        #866403
        old mart
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          @oldmart

          The gear showed is not intended to mesh with a worm gear, however it can be done although not able to carry power as the meshing is not exactly correct. You need to measure the diameter of the bull gear and count the number of teeth to use an online gear module calculator which will give you the tooth pitch. The worm will have to be tilted to mesh with the straight teeth on the wheel. You will also have to choose the number of starts on the wheel you make.

          We were given an Atlas 12 x 24 lathe which did not have its threading dial which works like a worm wheel on the leadscrew which is simply a straight worm of infinite diameter. I knew the number of teeth that the worm wheel should have and the TPI of the leadscrew and bought a gear that meshed correctly. The axis of the gear had to be tilted to match the leadscrew thread and the housing made to suit. The threading indicator works perfectly since it does not transmit more power than needed to turn it.

          #866406
          JasonB
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            @jasonb

            Circumference of a 1″ circle is 1 x pi = 3.142″

            Divide 3.142″ by the DP of the gear which I think is 20DP on a Myford

            3.142/20 = 0.1571″ pitch

            If you want tpi then 1/0.1571 = 6.365tpi

            But may be easier to select 4mm pitch as that is very close

            #866416
            John P
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              @johnp77052

              The bull gear on a Myford   is 16 DP   ,well it is on mine  checked against  16 DP hob   fits

              perfect ,  Ivan law’s  book list the pitch as.1963 inch    5 mm = .1968 inch  so that would

              do .Depth of cut =.135 inch.

              20 deg  PA.

              John

              #866423
              Nigel Graham 2
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                @nigelgraham2

                Presumably this for a dividing-attachment.

                Note that a worm meshed with a spur-wheel is fine for such purposes as it’s not transmitting any power, but in any case it will need its axis angled sideways at the helix angle, not perpendicularly to the axis of the lathe spindle.

                #866447
                DC31k
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                  @dc31k
                  On old mart Said:

                  …as the meshing is not exactly correct.

                  Please could you expand on this statement and say what is incorrect. When you talk of meshing not being correct, in my head it implies that the required conjugate action does not take place.

                  We produce spur gears by hobbing and a hob is little different to a worm gear.

                  To me, the low power capability of the setup is more to do with the “quantity” of meshing (an hourglass worm and fully enveloping wheel is the other end of the scale) rather than some intrinsic geometric problem with the setup.

                  #866449
                  Macolm
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                    @macolm

                    A “proper” worm wheel will make line contact with the worm. The setup proposed will make point contact, which will be fine for indexing purposes, not so good for power delivery.

                    #866450
                    ega
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                      @ega

                      When the OP acknowledges the above advice I hope he will say something about his unusual Myford with its gold coloured knobs and flip-top oilers.

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