TOS every time.

I can't speak for the SC variety but some two years ago I bought a Zither independent 4-jaw from Arc. I initially bought a Chinese one but felt it to be a bit indifferent and subsequently returned that and bought the Indian one. This has afforded every satisfaction, and I would happily recommend it. Contemporary wisdom seems to be that Indian equipment is by definition worse than Chinese but as you say the Zither is more expensive and we all know that you tend to get what you pay for. I understand that the company is a large and reputable organisation, not some back street set up. As has been previously discussed a lot is dependent on the importer/retailer. In the last week of January I heard, whilst driving, some snatches of a progamme on BBC Radio 4. A British entrepeneur who deals extensively with China was being interviewed and stated that he found the Chinese were very reasonable to deal with. When questioned about quality issues he replied "You get what you ask for"

You may also consider Vertex. (Taiwanese) Their equipment does have a good reputaton and I've been very pleased with their stuff. Various dealers, including Rotagrip in Birmingham sell them. This latter company I've dealt with for many years and again would happily recommend.

Michael

Joseph, TOS are the only half decent brand in your list so would be the best option.

as Brian said in an earlier reply try to get a second hand Pratt Burnerd or a Bison Bail, both are vastly superior to any on your list.

Donald.

I has both chinese chuck Sieg and Burnerd chuck, not much very comparable. If you need precise centered workpiece, use 4 jaws chuck + dial gauge in case large than the collets can hold the workpiece for precision work.

TOS

MY 3 jaw is spot on

Roderick,

Are you telling us that Pratt Burnerd chucks are no longer British made?

Alan

Alan,

Rotagrip only appear to offer the choice of these two 4jaw SC chucks – Bison made in Poland and TOS (I assume) made in the Czech Republic, both at £300+

I have a 4" 4jaw SC chuck. Although it has several part type numbers stamped on it I can't see a maker's name. I bought it new about 15 years ago for less than £100. It has less run out than my Burnerd 3 jaw SC but then it is considerably less worn.

Burnerd appear to be part of a large multinational – who knows where they are made.

As far as the OP is concerned, experience from people who actually have the relevant chucks and can comment on their performance would appear to be more useful than an argument (prejudice?) about where they are made.

cheers,

Rod

Edited By Roderick Jenkins on 06/02/2013 08:49:19

Alan, i am norwegian, also i live in Norway.

Don't be fooled into thinking that all Pratt Burnerd chucks are perfect, because I have a very lightly used chuck as originally supplied new to me by Harrison machine tools, which I have recently discovered came with inaccurately ground jaws and allowed small diameter stock (3mm) to move about, instead of being held securely right to the tip of the jaws and this caused the work to be made with three lobes instead of truly circular.

Some careful work with a half-round diamond file removed the raised area from the clamping surfaces and now the chuck is good, but the point still remains that it wasn't supplied that way.

Martin.

Edited By blowlamp on 06/02/2013 11:30:42

Alan,

Looking at the Rotagrip site, although they do not appear to sell Burnerd 4 jaw SC chucks, they do sell Burnerd 3 jaw SC at what seem to be pretty attractive prices. Even though the prices suggest that they are not sourced from the UK, they will conform to Burnerd's specifications that are described in their catalogue. This makes them good value to my eyes.

I'm fully supportive of returning the UK to a manufacturing industry but I've learnt my lesson in the past by buying motor cars that are not as good as their continental rivals – it didn't help and I suffered. On the whole, British manufacturers do not offer goods that are aimed at the Model Engineer market, so lets help each other by identifying the best of what's available.

Rod

During the Victorian era many local supliers/ manufacturers existed.

The consumer( at the time called "The Customer" ) would examine and judge for themselves the worth of the product.

In a given retailer flour might be adulterated with a wide range of non-flour .Coco also.. A trading family saw the opputunity / need to supply consistant and high quallity coco products…BRAND NAMES were born . You could buy XYZ brand and know you would get the same product you bought last time.

This lack of consistancy I see in todays market ( small tools etc. ) I find more of a problem than the absolute "Quality" of the stuff..today's SORBA ( or what ever ) may not be the same as what you had last month.. ( year ) …

Now onto my opion. TOS as a Check (?) supplier is not going to find the huge wages benifit of going far Easten..so might continue to make inhouse.and might continue to deliver what they always have

If say Burnned had their's made in far East they may or maynot do the QA prior to shipping ( I bet they will find lots to reject if they do one of my customers reconded on 60% rejects for simple injection moulded components and 40 % for turned parts )

Sorry but sadly distance buying is always going to be fraught.. even in the case of large companies purchasing departments..

Regards Jason

Norman,

I used to get so irritated ( what`s new you say! ) about those grasping dealers stripping their machines and selling off the accessories! on the other hand, pre fleabay, It was fun going around dealers looking at all the treasure heaped up at unaffordable prices. Sometimes luck would kick in and it was always a good feeling, as I skipped down the road, that I had taken him.

When I used to import British second hand machinery into Norway I did exactly the same as them and still have a lot of stuff hanging around, including a Burnerd Griptru but I`m not into selling just buying now, so that when I snuff it, her indoors will probably let the scrappie have it all for free.

Alan

Ps, My Norwegian key board doesn`t have brackets but I suppose I can use these < pointy things>

Thanks Michael.

Edited for spelling

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