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    Vic
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      @vic

      Anyone on here know the difference between 99.5% IDA (Ethanol?) and 99 or 100% Isopropyl Alcohol? Apart from the obvious .5% laugh

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      Vic
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        #521043
        pgk pgk
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          @pgkpgk17461

          I believe the answer is that IPA is 'loosly' Propanol whereas IDA is Ethanol + some varant of nasty to make it unsuitable for drinking – usually methanol.
          The difference being methanol CH3OH, ethanol C2H5Oh, propanol C3H8OH

          So a bit like butane v propane – similar properties but more combustible carbon?

          pgk

          #521055
          SillyOldDuffer
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            @sillyoldduffer

            Same answer as pgk, except IDA is industrial meths, a mix of ethanol and 5% naptha. I think 99.5% IDA is industrial meths (95/5% mix) diluted with a dash of water, not 99.5% ethanol. It's controlled because Ethanol is a recreational drug only sold under licence with much tax added!

            Isopropyl Alcohol is a different alcohol with unpleasant side effects.

            IDA is cheap and is widely used as a fuel or unfussy solvent – where the naptha doesn't matter.

            Propanol is mainly used when a pure alcohol is needed as a solvent for medical, cosmetics, ink and such. Meths works just as well except it stinks or spoils some things! Propanol is a good fuel but is rarely used because of the cost. (It can be added to petrol as an anti-knock agent.)

            Dave

            #521058
            duncan webster 1
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              @duncanwebster1

              IPA is no good for firing your Mamod, took me ages to get the soot off

              Edited By duncan webster on 19/01/2021 16:41:14

              #521059
              Ady1
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                @ady1

                Once you add some irn bru there's no real difference

                #521128
                not done it yet
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                  @notdoneityet

                  IDA is normally denatured ethyl alcohol at about 95% pure – the rest being the denaturing chemical (often methyl alcohol plus a bittering agent – if appropriate) and water. The water is there because the ethanol is generally distilled and 95.5% is about the best one can manage by that means ( theoretical is 95.7%, IIRC).

                  Absolute ethanol is either produced by other means or chemically dried – hence is very expensive.

                  #521135
                  Michael Gilligan
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                    @michaelgilligan61133

                    Realistically priced, high quality Isopropyl Alcohol is available here:

                    **LINK**

                    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/IPA-99-9-1-LITRE-Lab-Grade-Isopropyl-Alcohol-Isopropanol-1L/141522873981

                    Well packed and promptly despatched too star

                    MichaelG.

                    #521157
                    Robert Atkinson 2
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                      @robertatkinson2

                      IDA is Ethanol with at least 5% wood Naptha / Meatanol or simialr.

                      95% IDA is 95% IDA + 5% water i.e roughly 86% ethanol, 4% Wood Napha, 5% water.

                      99.5% has a small quantity of water, probably through absorbtion from the atmosphere (they can't prove it's 100%)

                      Note that in the UK you need authorisation from HMRC to buy or keep IDA. There is a 20l per year limit for members of the public for hobby use this still needs HMRC authorisation.

                      Industrial Denatured Alcohol (IDA)

                      Industrial Denatured Alcohol (IDA)

                      "Meths" is completly denatured alcohol – CDA no restriction on purchase in UK. It used to be dyed purple but that requirement was dropped in 2013.

                      Rober G8RPI.

                       

                      Edited By Robert Atkinson 2 on 19/01/2021 22:04:47

                      #521159
                      Pete Rimmer
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                        @peterimmer30576
                        Posted by Michael Gilligan on 19/01/2021 20:34:06:

                        Realistically priced, high quality Isopropyl Alcohol is available here:

                        **LINK**

                        https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/IPA-99-9-1-LITRE-Lab-Grade-Isopropyl-Alcohol-Isopropanol-1L/141522873981

                        Well packed and promptly despatched too star

                        MichaelG.

                        No it ain't

                        This item is out of stock

                        #521171
                        Michael Gilligan
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                          @michaelgilligan61133

                          I’m sure they will make some more soon, Pete

                          Actually … I suspect they are about to revise the ebay price

                          [ it appears to fluctuate with demand ]

                           

                          MichaelG.

                          .

                          https://hexchemonline.co.uk/collections/isopropyl-alcohol/products/ipa?variant=52047319942

                          Edited By Michael Gilligan on 19/01/2021 23:03:43

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