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    Steve355
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      Hi

      looks like I got myself a new toy on eBay (surface grinder) but it’s 3 phase and I only have a standard 240v mains supply. I’ve been looking into VFDs but it seems complicated,

      Could somebody knowledgeable please tell me what a suitable 3 phase conversion device might be. I’ve tried to get a pic of the motor plate but it’s in the most awkward place. Hopefully its readable.

      thanks

      Steve

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      Steve355
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        #607244
        peak4
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          As you've already spotted, the issue is that it's a single voltage motor, which precludes the use of the cheapest Chinese inverters, but there are other solutions.

          The motor can likely be re-connected internally to allow delta, rather star winding, to allow for the cheaper inverters.
          I believe some firms who supply inverters, such as Newton Tesla, will assist with that so long as you buy the inverter from them.

          You can get static and rotary 3 phase converters, from such as Transwave, but they might be a bit over the top pricewise for a single machine. Machine Mart used to do a cheaper one.

          Many UK based inverter suppliers now offer a 240v in – 415v 3 phase out inverter/VFD, though they are more expensive than the 240v in – 240v out ones, but they seem to have vanished off ebay of late. I think you need an AT3 type for the higher voltage output. Again Newton Tesla, or maybe Inverter Supermarket.

          Premier Machine Tools also offer a suitable package, though I've not used them myself.

          Plenty of options there, without needing to replace the motor; I'm sure others will be along soon to chip in.

          Bill

          Edited By peak4 on 24/07/2022 22:38:16

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          Thor 🇳🇴
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            Hi Steve,

            From the nameplate it seems like a 400V motor, it may be possible to open up the motor and re-connect it for 230V as Bill says. Is it possible to replace the motor with a newer one that can be connected either star or delta so you could use a cheap VFD? There are solutions that provide 3-phase 400V out from single phase 230V, one example here.

            Thor

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            not done it yet
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              @notdoneityet

              Looks like it is either a Hammond or an Eagle.

              Guessing it must be the Hammond – because a simple search on the forum would have provided oodles of info on the Eagle.

              Go on, don’t be so secretive with the details. Which machine is it?

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              Steve355
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                @steve355
                Posted by not done it yet on 25/07/2022 06:16:10:

                Looks like it is either a Hammond or an Eagle.

                Guessing it must be the Hammond – because a simple search on the forum would have provided oodles of info on the Eagle.

                Go on, don’t be so secretive with the details. Which machine is it?

                its the Eagle. I didn’t think to search the forum on VFDs for the Eagle.

                Well I got it from Wales to Herts, now the really hard bit of getting it out of the car and into the shed.

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                Steve355
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                  @steve355
                  Posted by Thor 🇳🇴 on 25/07/2022 05:49:20:

                  Hi Steve,

                  There are solutions that provide 3-phase 400V out from single phase 230V, one example here.

                  Thor

                  Great idea, I just picked up a “new/other” one – 2hp version, on eBay for £80.

                  Problem solved – hopefully! Thanks!

                  Steve

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                  Robert Atkinson 2
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                    That converter should get you running.

                    Note however that they don't produce a proper 3 phase supply. They can cause quite a bit of torque ripple from the motor. This in turn causes vibration, not a good thing with a surface grinder. So if you are getting vibration or poor surface finsh don't automatically blame the mechanical bits.

                    Robert G8RPI.

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