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  • #253522
    sean logie
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      @seanlogie69385

      Lathe arrived today ,needing a few bits and bobs . Tailstock chuck, cross slide is incomplete . Seller was a bit shy with the truth. . So where will I be able to source a cross slide from . Looked on eBay seems limited on ml3 accessories.

      Thanks for looking

      Sean

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      sean logie
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        #253543
        Brian Wood
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          @brianwood45127

          Hello Sean,

          That sort of behaviour is simply not fair; I would be inclined to have the seller take it back, at his expense.

          Tailstock chucks are not a problem, they are accessories after all, but fundamental bits of carriage equipment will be harder to source. Is there even a top slide?

          Can you post a picture of it as it is so that we can see what is actually missing?

          Regards

          Brian

          #253546
          Robbo
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            @robbo

            Brian,

            If seller provides pictures of a machine then they wriggle out of it by saying you should have studied the pictures to see the condition.

            They rely on novices not knowing what the machine should look like when complete.

            Or in some cases the seller is completely ignorant themselves.

            The famous last words "spares are available on ebay" are often heard

            Caveat Emptor indeed

            Edited By Robbo on 02/09/2016 09:22:24

            #253548
            Michael Gilligan
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              @michaelgilligan61133
              Posted by Brian Wood on 02/09/2016 09:02:32:

              Can you post a picture of it as it is so that we can see what is actually missing?

              .

              +1

              MichaelG.

              #253552
              Swarf, Mostly!
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                @swarfmostly

                Hi there, Shaun,

                I sympathise with your situation – I guess you're eager to get on with using your lathe.

                However, the reality is that eBay is not a fully stocked spares and accessories retailer. When rebuilding an old machine such as the ML3, you have to accept that all the parts you require are not going to be listed just when you need them. And, of course, you can be outbid! Patience is required, it can be a long game. In fact, some of the parts you need may never be listed! If that's not acceptable then returning the machine to the seller for a refund may be your best option.

                There used to be a lot of knowledge and spare parts in the possession of members of the Yahoo Myford Lathes Group but I haven't been able to access any of the Yahoo Groups since Yahoo mucked about with their software – you might have more luck.

                An afterthought – if you do decide to keep the ML3 and hunt for the parts needed to complete it, I suggest that you research the ML1,2,3,&4 family to see what parts are compatible from model to model.  Have you looked at Tony's web-site, lathes.co.uk ??

                Best regards,

                Swarf, Mostly!

                Edited By Swarf, Mostly! on 02/09/2016 10:04:05

                #253559
                sean logie
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                  @seanlogie69385

                  How do I post photos from android mobile if indeed I can

                  Sean

                  #253562
                  sean logie
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                    @seanlogie69385

                    I believe I have the topslide but no thread bar or wheel/handle

                    Sean

                    #253570
                    Jon Gibbs
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                      @jongibbs59756

                      How about this…

                      **LINK**

                      Edit – Sorry, it's for the topslide.

                      Jon

                      Edited By Jon Gibbs on 02/09/2016 10:45:01

                      #253572
                      Neil Wyatt
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                        @neilwyatt

                        Give 'neutral' feedback but mention the problems in your text.

                        Less messy than giving bad feedback.

                        Neil

                        #253577
                        sean logie
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                          @seanlogie69385

                          The topslide screw and handle is what I need and I’m watching your link on ebay thanks

                          #253592
                          Jon Gibbs
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                            @jongibbs59756
                            Posted by sean logie on 02/09/2016 10:54:57:
                            The topslide screw and handle is what I need and I'm watching your link on ebay thanks

                            That was a stroke of luck – My old Dad always said it was better to be born lucky than rich.

                            …with an 80 thou per rev dial it must be a 12.5 TPI square(?) thread which seems a pretty weird size to me.

                            Jon

                            #253593
                            Swarf, Mostly!
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                              @swarfmostly

                              Hi there, Sean,

                              Please accept my apologies for mis-spelling your name in my earlier post.

                              Best regards,

                              Swarf, Mostly!

                              #253595
                              sean logie
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                                @seanlogie69385

                                No apology needed Swarf

                                Sean

                                #253607
                                Michael Gilligan
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                                  @michaelgilligan61133
                                  Posted by sean logie on 02/09/2016 10:23:23:
                                  How do I post photos from android mobile if indeed I can

                                  .

                                  Sorry, I can't offer any Android-specific advice, but … Start here:

                                  http://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=103028&p=1

                                  MichaelG.

                                  #253618
                                  Bazyle
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                                    @bazyle

                                    Not sure why people assume it was acquired from ebay, Did I miss something obvious?

                                    The cross slide of ML1234 are probably all the same but the later ML7 series are not. Most of the changes to the models were the headstock and level of accessories bundled with the lathe originally. This compatibility is the info Sean needs. Parts appear often on ebay but may not be listed as for a particular lathe.

                                    Where abouts are you? If you can find a nearby club you will get a lot of help and advice there.

                                    #253646
                                    sean logie
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                                      @seanlogie69385

                                      Lathe was bought of gumtree, I live way up in the Scottish Highlands.

                                      Sean

                                      #253733
                                      Ths
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                                        @ths

                                        Look under 'sellers other items' in the eBay link John Gibbs posted. There are many other ml1-4 parts available, including a complete top slide. Cheers, Hugh.

                                        #253783
                                        sean logie
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                                          @seanlogie69385

                                          Not sure if you can but take a look at my album

                                          #253799
                                          Bazyle
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                                            @bazyle

                                            Ok I see a bed stop, useful, an a saddle without screw, and possibly needing a gib strip. It is not uncommon for someone to take this apart to clean etc then mislay the parts if being a bit sloppy or just a garage trader who doesn't really know of care what bits they picked up from some widow's shed.

                                            If you have a topslide with a 12 tpi screw not 10tpi then you might be able to fit it temporarily to the cross slide as the designs are basically equivalent. Short travel but it would get you going.

                                            #253813
                                            Bazyle
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                                              @bazyle

                                              More photos. You have the apron but are missing the entire saddle and cross slide. The other part is only the top of the topslide which also needs a base. Most likely to get a whole topslide which appear every couple of weeks on ebay. Remember ML7 and super7 parts are not compatible.

                                              Beware. This is not what it says. Though it might fit (with a LOT of work) and might have been stripped off a Myford it is definitely not an original, not complete, and way overpriced for a few miscellaneous lumps of metal.

                                              #253842
                                              sean logie
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                                                @seanlogie69385
                                                Posted by Bazyle on 03/09/2016 12:41:43:

                                                More photos. You have the apron but are missing the entire saddle and cross slide. The other part is only the top of the topslide which also needs a base. Most likely to get a whole topslide which appear every couple of weeks on ebay. Remember ML7 and super7 parts are not compatible.

                                                Beware. This is not what it says. Though it might fit (with a LOT of work) and might have been stripped off a Myford it is definitely not an original, not complete, and way overpriced for a few miscellaneous lumps of metal.

                                                the topslide i have linked will do then Bazyle ?

                                                sean

                                                #253843
                                                sean logie
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                                                  @seanlogie69385
                                                  Posted by sean logie on 03/09/2016 14:13:13:

                                                  Posted by Bazyle on 03/09/2016 12:41:43:

                                                  More photos. You have the apron but are missing the entire saddle and cross slide. The other part is only the top of the topslide which also needs a base. Most likely to get a whole topslide which appear every couple of weeks on ebay. Remember ML7 and super7 parts are not compatible.

                                                  Beware. This is not what it says. Though it might fit (with a LOT of work) and might have been stripped off a Myford it is definitely not an original, not complete, and way overpriced for a few miscellaneous lumps of metal.

                                                  the topslide i have linked will do then Bazyle ?

                                                  found this also

                                                  https://www.gumtree.com/p/lathes/slide-from-old-myford-lathe/1183325768

                                                  sean

                                                  #253868
                                                  Bazyle
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                                                    @bazyle

                                                    The gumtree link looks pretty good but is it actually myford? The advert says the lathe was sold so was that without its saddle? Perhaps the lathe sold was a myford and this was a non-myford part that happened to be with it and was therefore assumed to be myford by association not wisdom. One thing that puzzles me about it is I don't see screw holes in the second photo for attaching the apron so was perhaps attached from the front. It would adapt if the size of the V on the saddle will match so worth a call to the seller to get a measurement. Note the first photo shows the gib strip which is needed but if the V is a little too wide you can take up an eighth with a thicker one. The second photo shows the back of a dial so if it is myford it is the 'superior model' that actually had one.

                                                    Not sure which topslide you linked to. I linked to one what would do and is the slightly better slot plus hole fixing type but there seem to be two bidders already.

                                                    The screw only that Jon Gibbs linked is nice, The later development I think but you need rather more than just that.

                                                    #253953
                                                    Georgineer
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                                                      @georgineer

                                                      If I can address various points from various posts:

                                                      The parts Bazyle linked to under 'this is not what it says' are not Myford. The seller tells me that he assumed them to be Myford because they were in a box with an ML1 bed.

                                                      The '80 thou per turn' dial was an approximation by Myford to the 83.3 thou actually given by the 12 tpi thread on ML1234. Early lathes didn't have a dial at all. There was a seller on ebay making resettable dials with 83 divisions, but I haven't seen them advertised lately.

                                                      From my researches(and I am perfectly willing to be challenged) I believe that the ML3 was the 'Standard' version of the 'Superior' ML4 with the same centre height, bed length, mandrel threads and other major dimensions. The only differences I can find are that until 1938 the ML3 headstock was cast in rather than bolted on, and that it used plain bearings in the cast iron head rather than the ML4's bronze bearings. Some people favour this arrangement as it lasts longer. The ML3 was discontinued in 1941.

                                                      Accordingly I believe that any ML4 part should fit the OP's ML3. The topslide thread, handle and bracket shown in the link are attractive because they are late ones with the cast bracket bearing an engraved line to aid reading the dial. Earlier ones had a flat plate with no marking at all.

                                                      The ML1 and ML2 were smaller versions of the ML3 and ML4, and I believe that their history ran in parallel. They had a 3 1/8" centre height (compared with 3 1/2" ), measured 15" between centres (compared with 24" ) and had 3 1/2" cross slide travel (compared with 4 1/2" ). All early ML1234 lathes had a choice of a 7/8" x 9 tpi or 7/8" x 12 tpi Whitworth mandrel thread. The later ML4 (and I presume ML2) had a 1 1/8" x 12 tpi thread identical to the ML7 but the register was 1 1/8" diameter, not the 1 1/4" of the ML7. This means that ML7 fitments will thread onto the ML4 nose, but do not engage with the register. It should be possible to secure a collar to the existing register and turn it to the ML7 dimensions, making it truly interchangeable. The later ML4 was available with tumbler reverse, though I don't know when it was introduced or whether it was available on the other models.

                                                      I hope this clarifies some of the puzzles.

                                                      George

                                                      Edited By JasonB on 04/09/2016 13:43:51

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