Vintage Record 112P Vice

[Khurram HussainParticipant @khurramhussain28420]

Hi All

I have what looks to be a pre WW2 Heavy Duty Record 112P vice which is crazy heavy likely around the 20kg mark if not more.

Its rusted, dirty with handle that's bent 6 ways to sunday. I would like to restore the thing back to its former glory. Given that its modern equivalent retails for a hefty price tag I think it would be the perfect starter vice for any projects I might do.

I unfortunately have no idea where to begin in its restoration or its disassembly, I'm hoping that as I clean it up a little more it becomes more apparent but any tips, advice, guidance would be appreciated.

Thanks

[Khurram HussainParticipant @khurramhussain28420]

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Hi Khurram,

That model is about £700 today so well worth doing up if you can.

Sorry I can't help. I've tidied up a No 4 which came apart easily. The No 4 is common as muck and there's lots of advice on the web. You may be less lucky finding a 112P expert; I'm not sure there are many of them about.

Good luck

Dave

[MeunierParticipant @meunier]

Hi Khurram, this **LINK** is working on restoring Record No 5&6 vices, may help

DaveD

[John FlackParticipant @johnflack59079]

Khurram……. If WW2 is vintage,you might get a shock if you get to meet some of the guys on this forum💀💀💀💀

[peak4Participant @peak4]

I have a 112 attached to my bench in the new workshop, and a very good vice it is too.

I've no idea what the P signifies on yours, but they all look very similar.

There's very little to stripping and cleaning it, though you might need to get hold of a new split pin or two.

Have a look on ebay now under "record 112 vice"; the first listing as I type this has a set of photos of one in pieces.

Bill

Edited By peak4 on 19/06/2017 23:27:47

[Nicholas FarrParticipant @nicholasfarr14254]

Hi, the P denotes a plain screw as opposed to a quick grip/release type.

Dismantling should be fairly straight forward, but there is usually a pin or something similar somewhere that has to be removed before the moving jaw can be taken out.

Regards Nick.

Edited By Nicholas Farr on 20/06/2017 06:03:20

[Khurram HussainParticipant @khurramhussain28420]

It seems to be the case I've seen plenty of restoration stuff on the net for other vices but the 112p is considerably harder. I'm just going to keep cleaning it up and hopefully it becomes obvious how to take it apart. I've seen the listing and the Quick Release seems to be easier to take apart than the plain screw which is annoying.

I'll get some pictures uploaded at some point.

Knowing full well how much I could sell it for, I'm still wanting to keep it for no reason other than the fact that it would be bloody cool to have attached to a bench that literally only I would ever see and most likely rarely use. I think I've taken a few too many blows to the head :/

K

[Khurram HussainParticipant @khurramhussain28420]

So as promised some pictures of the vice in the below link

 

https://goo.gl/photos/257gZvHJSSMVEK52A

 

As you can see it's not particularly clear on how to remove the slide. My best guess is that the piece in the middle is supposed to come out but despite my best efforts of trying to loosen it, the thing is very much still in place. Any tips or knowledge would be appreciated.

 

Thanks

Edited By Khurram Hussain on 26/06/2017 19:34:52

[KWILParticipant @kwil]

First picture look as though there is a collar on the leadscrew to prevent it coming right through the nut. There appears to be a pin through it to secure it. Check whether it will punch out?

[oldveloParticipant @oldvelo]

Hi Khurram

KWIL is on the right track to remove the collar on the end of the screw. The nut is in a pocket on picture 3

If it is stuck and rusted in it is possible to use Electrolysis

http://antique-engines.com/electrol.asp

Eric

 

Edited By oldvelo on 27/06/2017 08:06:17

[peak4Participant @peak4]

I would say that from your last picture,you need to remove the collar at the far end of the screw from the vice handle. It's probably held in with a split pin, or some other pin (plain, tapered or roll), but it should punch out; just be careful which way you knock it, if it's a taper pin.

You should then be able to remove the screw, and the nut should withdraw downwards.

The sliding jaw should then slide out.

Edited By peak4 on 27/06/2017 09:07:20

[Robert DoddsParticipant @robertdodds43397]

My interpretation of the first photo is that there is a cross pin retaining the collar. It may be tapered but it seems to be quite heavily peened over on the visible side. You should carefully file or grind off that peened section from both ends of the pin before attempting to drift out the pin (from the thin end if its tapered). You should see the circles where the pin emerges from the collar and that indicates where to hit. As others say, with collar off withdraw the shaft by unscrewing to the front of the vice. Plus gas and a judicious tap on the shaft may be required to move the collar

Bob D

[VicemanParticipant @viceman]

As others have said remove the collar at the very end of the turnscrew and then unscrew via the handle and the nut will drop out from the bottom. Have refurbed quite a few of these vices, everything from a 00 to a 114 so if you have any further questions please ask.

Steve

[Khurram HussainParticipant @khurramhussain28420]

Thanks for the responses, I did try to tap the collar pin out and it didn't seem to budge. Upon closer examination it looks like it is all one piece with no gap that would indicate it is a pin, I assume this is what Bob means by "peened".

Thanks for the invitation Steve, hopefully won't need to flood your inbox too much once I've got the thing apart. Dropped you a message.

[Khurram HussainParticipant @khurramhussain28420]

Wooohooo I managed to get the vice apart!!

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