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    lee hawkins 1
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      @leehawkins1

      Hello all

      Been a member on here few years now , not posted much for a long while, few years I recon, please dont feel like i only want to talk to you all, is only when I need something.

      I have this project, building longer rails on a chop saw, I have the rails, they are 25mm hardened steel shafts, I was thinking on using bronze bearings, but found some mild steel thick wall ferruls 50mm long 40mm od exact slide fit 25mm id

      Will these mild steel ferulls/bearings be ok for wear on a hardened steel shaft

      lee

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      #29794
      lee hawkins 1
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        @leehawkins1
        #344007
        Brian Wood
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          @brianwood45127

          Hello Lee,

          You would do better with cast iron, it is a recognised bearing material for steels hard and soft and provides it's own lubrication with the carbon content, a nice bonus to avoid grinding bearings/shaft with oil bound dust from the sawing

          Regards

          Brian

          #344014
          Emgee
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            @emgee

            Hi Lee, If the new parts allow a good sliding fit I would go with them but use a silicone spray lubricant.

            When they become too worn for the accuracy required you can bore them out and fit bushes to suit.

            Emgee

            #344016
            Chris Evans 6
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              @chrisevans6

              Linear (spelling?) bearings are cheap and having multiple ball bearing glide really easy. Use your mild steel until they wear out, I guess it will be a long time.

              #344023
              HOWARDT
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                @howardt

                I would use proprietary bearings from either Oilite (impregnated bronze) or Igus (engineering plastics). They are both relatively cheap and obtainable.

                #344052
                Nick Hulme
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                  @nickhulme30114

                  +1 for Linear Bearings, that's what some of the top chop saw manufacturers use, ideally you should have scraper seals to stop debris getting into the bearings.
                  I wouldn't use Silicone Oil on anything with metal to metal sliding components, it's unsuitable, Silicone Oil is great for metal to plastic and plastic to plastic though.

                  – Nick

                  #344087
                  Emgee
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                    @emgee
                    Posted by Nick Hulme on 02/03/2018 18:52:05:

                    I wouldn't use Silicone Oil on anything with metal to metal sliding components, it's unsuitable, Silicone Oil is great for metal to plastic and plastic to plastic though.

                    – Nick

                    Nick, check this out for the difference between "silicone oil" and "silicone spray lubricant"

                    **LINK**

                    Emgee

                    #344099
                    Anonymous
                      Posted by Emgee on 02/03/2018 20:58:39:

                      Posted by Nick Hulme on 02/03/2018 18:52:05:

                      I wouldn't use Silicone Oil on anything with metal to metal sliding components, it's unsuitable, Silicone Oil is great for metal to plastic and plastic to plastic though.

                      – Nick

                      Nick, check this out for the difference between "silicone oil" and "silicone spray lubricant"

                      **LINK**

                      Emgee

                      It's still Silicone though be it in oil, spray or grease form which as stated isn't really for metal to metal contact no matter what the advertising blurb says.

                      #344105
                      Emgee
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                        @emgee
                        Posted by Mick Berrisford on 02/03/2018 22:24:20:

                        Posted by Emgee on 02/03/2018 20:58:39:

                        Posted by Nick Hulme on 02/03/2018 18:52:05:

                        I wouldn't use Silicone Oil on anything with metal to metal sliding components, it's unsuitable, Silicone Oil is great for metal to plastic and plastic to plastic though.

                        – Nick

                        Nick, check this out for the difference between "silicone oil" and "silicone spray lubricant"

                        **LINK**

                        EmgeeIt's still Silicone though be it in oil, spray or grease form which as stated isn't really for metal to metal contact no matter what the advertising blurb says.

                        Mick, I have used the silicone spray lubricant without problems on machine slides, after spraying it dries off and leaves a slippery surface coating on metals.
                        I have also used silicone oil, the manufacturer's recommended lubricant for fan bearings working in high temp situations.

                        Emgee

                        #344107
                        Grindstone Cowboy
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                          @grindstonecowboy

                          Just to add fuel to the silicone oil 'fire', it has long been a bone of contention in airgun circles – after a lot of reading the pros and cons, I now only use moly-based grease for mine. A pretty good explanation can be found on this page **LINK**

                          Regards,

                          Rob

                          #344129
                          lee hawkins 1
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                            @leehawkins1

                            Thanks everyone for your ideas

                            I am no professional engineer, but do like to do things that make a proper job, So I have opted for the oilite bronze bush, these here http://www.ashleypower.co.uk/store.php/products/amc253550-metric-plain-oilite-bush

                            Ive been having a study of these bushes, what I have learnt , is that these bushes need to be pressed in so as to close them down to get them to fit the shaft, so when you order them at what I need 25mm id , they are a fraction over that size Is this correct ?

                            Thanks

                            Lee

                            #344133
                            Michael Gilligan
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                              @michaelgilligan61133

                              Lee,

                              May I refer you to this thread: **LINK**

                              http://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=124276

                              I think you should find all the Oilite information that you need.

                              MichaelG.

                              #344134
                              lee hawkins 1
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                                @leehawkins1

                                Thanks MichaelG

                                Will do.

                                #344171
                                Ian S C
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                                  @iansc

                                  I think I would try Oilite sintered iron bushes in this situation, they work the same way as the bronze Oilite bushes.

                                  Ian S C

                                  #344187
                                  lee hawkins 1
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                                    @leehawkins1

                                    Ian,

                                    Iron Bushes, only place I can find these are from companies located in India, do you know Where i could buy these in the UK

                                    or what about these  https://www.bearingboys.co.uk/BU-Type-Bearings/MB2550BU-Split-Bearing-Bush-14894-p

                                    Thank

                                    lee

                                    Edited By lee hawkins 1 on 03/03/2018 12:54:22

                                    Edited By lee hawkins 1 on 03/03/2018 13:13:22

                                    #344321
                                    Ian S C
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                                      @iansc

                                      Sorry Lee, I'm at the other end of Earth, in NZ.

                                      Ian S C

                                      #344342
                                      lee hawkins 1
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                                        @leehawkins1

                                        Ha ha smiley no worries Ian

                                        Thanks

                                        lee

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