Health and Safety shoots down entire RAF

[duncan webster 1Participant @duncanwebster1]

Posted by RRMBK on 17/08/2017 15:00:51:

But get them back in the air soon please as HMS Queen Elizabeth is desperate for some decent aircraft !!

Why don't they just make some updated Harriers. I know they're not supersonic, but is this really needed in a carrier based aircraft? The proposed VTOL is unbelievably expensive, and still not working properly.

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Posted by duncan webster on 17/08/2017 15:03:54:

Posted by RRMBK on 17/08/2017 15:00:51:

But get them back in the air soon please as HMS Queen Elizabeth is desperate for some decent aircraft !!

Why don't they just make some updated Harriers. I know they're not supersonic, but is this really needed in a carrier based aircraft? The proposed VTOL is unbelievably expensive, and still not working properly.

The Harrier is a fifty-year-old design. The Spitfire was only a thirty-year-old design when the harrier was introduced.

[Andy CarruthersParticipant @andycarruthers33275]

Whilst we are at it, please can we have TSR2 back too

And Lighnings, the English Electric one…

[duncan webster 1Participant @duncanwebster1]

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 17/08/2017 15:07:58:

Posted by duncan webster on 17/08/2017 15:03:54:

Posted by RRMBK on 17/08/2017 15:00:51:

But get them back in the air soon please as HMS Queen Elizabeth is desperate for some decent aircraft !!

Why don't they just make some updated Harriers. I know they're not supersonic, but is this really needed in a carrier based aircraft? The proposed VTOL is unbelievably expensive, and still not working properly.

The Harrier is a fifty-year-old design. The Spitfire was only a thirty-year-old design when the harrier was introduced.

I did say updated. The US Marine Core are still flying them. As the new carriers don't have catapults there isn't much choice, and as I said the new US plane seems plagued with problems and too expensive

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Posted by RRMBK on 17/08/2017 15:00:51:

The journalist seeking a headline is possibly not knowledgeable enough to have any idea of the implications, and clearly knows nothing about H&S legislation.

Don't blame the journalist, if you follow the link in the first post you will see it is Ady1's headline.

[Brian Sweeting 2Participant @briansweeting2]

Posted by Cornish Jack on 17/08/2017 10:13:10:

As pointed out above, the Liberal party have nothing to do with this – but don't let that upset your prejudices!!

Having, as a professional, had to deal with the results of aircraft 'failures', the dictum of "Safety is no accident" sits much better with me than the "Oh, Boo Hoo, some nasty person has stopped my toys being allowed out to keep me amused for ten minutes" Has the memory of the Shoreham Hunter carnage really faded that quickly?

Some VERY odd values around!

rgds

Bill

I thought Shoreham was due to pilot error not mechanical failure.

[MWParticipant @mw27036]

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 17/08/2017 15:07:58:.

The Harrier is a fifty-year-old design. The Spitfire was only a thirty-year-old design when the harrier was introduced.

Come to think of it, lathes and mills are pretty old too! 3D printers are based on 70's technology and that's treated like the new kid on the block.

One of my favourite English planes was the dehavilland vampire. 

Michael W

Edited By Michael-w on 17/08/2017 16:07:15

[LambtonParticipant @lambton]

Neil,

The Harrier is a fifty-year-old design. The Spitfire was only a thirty-year-old design when the harrier was introduced.

Quite correct however it would be better to have Harriers than no aircraft at all on our latest and most ex[pensive carrier which will be a white elephant until the American planes become available. It is a bit like buying a top of the range lathe or mill and not having any tooling for it or material to work on.

The Americans very quickly purchased all our Harriers appreciating their unique abilities that were demonstrated in a spectacular manner in the Falkland's War.

Eric

[Cornish JackParticipant @cornishjack]

Brian Ess – That was the AAIB's verdict. There are some interesting variations on possible causes discussed on a couple of threads on the Professional Pilot's Rumour Network – http://www.pprune.org. That notwithstanding, be it incompetence or technical failure, the results are best avoided

rgds

Bill

[Steve WithnellParticipant @stevewithnell34426]

Posted by Andy Carruthers on 17/08/2017 15:08:35:

Whilst we are at it, please can we have TSR2 back too

And Lighnings, the English Electric one…

When the TSR2 was cancelled, a fair few designers breathed a sigh of relief! TSR2 was not our finest hour.

Steve

[Steve WithnellParticipant @stevewithnell34426]

Posted by Lambton on 17/08/2017 16:50:15:

Neil,

The Harrier is a fifty-year-old design. The Spitfire was only a thirty-year-old design when the harrier was introduced.

Quite correct however it would be better to have Harriers than no aircraft at all on our latest and most ex[pensive carrier which will be a white elephant until the American planes become available.

Eric

The F35 (JSF) stealth capability is  reliant on BAE Systems manufacturing technologies – so they are not wholly American planes. The original consortium was Northrop, MacDac and BAesystems.

Steve

Edited By Steve Withnell on 17/08/2017 22:46:34

[Brian Sweeting 2Participant @briansweeting2]

Posted by Cornish Jack on 17/08/2017 19:42:24:

Brian Ess – That was the AAIB's verdict. There are some interesting variations on possible causes discussed on a couple of threads on the Professional Pilot's Rumour Network – http://www.pprune.org. That notwithstanding, be it incompetence or technical failure, the results are best avoided

rgds

Bill

Wholeheartedly agree with you.

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