Electric vehicles

[SteviegtrParticipant @steviegtr]

Found this tonight on youtube. Interesting watch. They only charge 24p per kw too.

Electric car service station.

Steve.

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

Steve,

Perhaps you should subscribe to the ‘Fully Charged’ channel. Then you would not have to hunt for it.

Yep, given another ten years and the whole perceived ‘problem’ with charging BEVs will probably be only a distant memory, even for the current naysayers.

It is still cheaper and often more convenient, if one can recharge at home, mind. By a factor of five times, if one connects to one of the taraffs which only charge around 5p/kWh during the night. (Btw, I would not want to be charged by the kW – some of those stations can charge with power at up to 350kW!🙂 .) At 24p/kW that could suggest it might cost £84 just to plug in! (more fake ammunition for the ‘anti-brigade&rsquo. Using the correct units for energy would be good, particularly from someone claiming a lifetime’s work in the electricity field.🙂

A poster, on another forum, reported receiving a free vend of 68kWh during that preview event. It had not yet been opened to the public at that point. That saved him £16 at those prices – but he could have charged at home for as little as £3.60. Not bad for sufficient energy to travel 250-300 miles.🙂 What would it cost, for fuel, for you to drive 300 miles in your ‘gas guzzlers’?

[pgk pgkParticipant @pgkpgk17461]

You need to compare apples on petrol/electricity for cars.

Ignore the special electricity prices as loss leaders/night rates etc. Normal price around 16p/KWH with 5% tax, say for simplicity 15p.KWH or £15 for a 300mile journey. Petrol less tax is circa £2.75/gallon UK but being kind still looking at 7 galls or £19.25 for 300 miles. Gov will get their tax revenues back on either system eventually.

So it still makes electric cars cheaper to fuel if home charging but running costs, home charge point installation, depreciation, service costs etc complicate the calculation as does the occassional need to charge en route at higher costs. In other words overall the costs will come out the same when it's all shaken out, battery longevity improved and prices drop….

pgk

[SteviegtrParticipant @steviegtr]

Posted by pgk pgk on 04/12/2020 07:32:56:

You need to compare apples on petrol/electricity for cars.

Ignore the special electricity prices as loss leaders/night rates etc. Normal price around 16p/KWH with 5% tax, say for simplicity 15p.KWH or £15 for a 300mile journey. Petrol less tax is circa £2.75/gallon UK but being kind still looking at 7 galls or £19.25 for 300 miles. Gov will get their tax revenues back on either system eventually.

So it still makes electric cars cheaper to fuel if home charging but running costs, home charge point installation, depreciation, service costs etc complicate the calculation as does the occassional need to charge en route at higher costs. In other words overall the costs will come out the same when it's all shaken out, battery longevity improved and prices drop….

pgk

Not sure where the less tax comes in. Everyone pays tax. The 99 octane i use is around £1.15 per litre Using 4.5 litres per gallon then it costs me £36.22 for 7 gallons. . I need 4 gallons per 100 miles in the guzzler. Which means it has cost me a grand total of £15.75 this year with the darn covid.

Been using the van this year.

NDIY. To do 300 miles it would cost me . £62.10. In the van probably around £37.80. Dear stuff.

Steve.

[pgk pgkParticipant @pgkpgk17461]

Posted by Steviegtr on 04/12/2020 08:33:53:

Not sure where the less tax comes in. Everyone pays tax. The 99 octane i use is around £1.15 per litre Using 4.5 litres per gallon then it costs me £36.22 for 7 gallons. . I need 4 gallons per 100 miles in the guzzler. Which means it has cost me a grand total of £15.75 this year with the darn covid.

Been using the van this year.

NDIY. To do 300 miles it would cost me . £62.10. In the van probably around £37.80. Dear stuff.

Steve.

It was a quick off the cuff calculation of relative costs ignoring the tax components of each fuel on the grounds that GOV will come up with ways to recover said taxes once EV's are common. Likely road pricing by some bizarre and unwieldy method instead of something simple like a monthly guesstimate of usage adjusted annually by odometer readings….

pgk

[SteviegtrParticipant @steviegtr]

Is there going to be stockpiles of petrol / diesel vehicles soon, as people will not dare to buy new because of the loss they will encounter.

Or will this just balance itself out over time.

Steve.

[pgk pgkParticipant @pgkpgk17461]

I'd guess that as we get closer to 'only new being electric' there will be a road pricing scheme started to recover taxes for EV's as well as fossil plus pricing to make fossil cost way more to run – with all the cries of how unfair it all is

pgk

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