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  • #537271
    larry phelan 1
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      Just reading through Ketans post regarding the problems of dealing with China, and the way they operate, dropping the standard as they go along.

      I f this were to happen in any other business, the buyer would simply find another supplier, if not in China, then elsewhere. China can only do this for so long and as the old saying has it "If there were no receivers, there would be no thieves"

      Would it cost so much more to buy from Korea or some such source ? They seem to have a higher standard.

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      #36348
      larry phelan 1
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        #537280
        Tony Pratt 1
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          @tonypratt1

          IF buyers i.e. us complain enough things might change??? There are a lot of forum members who just buy tat & then throw it away & then buy something else which may or may not be better quality.

          Tony

          #537283
          Steviegtr
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            @steviegtr
            Posted by Tony Pratt 1 on 31/03/2021 17:23:32:

            IF buyers i.e. us complain enough things might change??? There are a lot of forum members who just buy tat & then throw it away & then buy something else which may or may not be better quality.

            Tony

            Is there any particular tat to look out for. So i can avoid it.

            Steve.

            #537287
            Oldiron
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              @oldiron

              Oh and I thought this was going to be a sailing thread.

              regards

              #537288
              Howard Lewis
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                @howardlewis46836

                I immediately thought of pensioned off Gardners!

                If you choose to go it alone, and import direct, you take your chances. You might be lucky, but if not!!!!!!!

                Remember, if it looks too good to be true; it probably is.

                If you deal with reputable UK suppliers, you should be OK.

                It may be more expensive, but you have warranty, after sales support, and if you have to pay return shipping costs, it will be far cheaper than across the world.

                Someone 10,000 miles away is unlikely to be too concerned if you are unhappy with your purchase, fairly safe in the knowledge that the dud item will never be returned, or have an angry customer hammering on his door..

                Howard

                #537294
                martin perman 1
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                  @martinperman1

                  Larry,

                  Which Ketan post was that, i've just done a search and only found two from 2016.

                  Martin P

                  #537296
                  Michael Gilligan
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                    @michaelgilligan61133
                    Posted by martin perman on 31/03/2021 18:13:05:

                    Larry,

                    Which Ketan post was that, i've just done a search and only found two from 2016.

                    Martin P

                    .

                    Martin

                    Ketan has certainly posted since 2016 …

                    **LINK**  https://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/memberpostings.asp?c=44715

                    Have you perhaps only found threads started by Ketan ?

                    Edited By Michael Gilligan on 31/03/2021 18:21:33

                    #537297
                    Roderick Jenkins
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                      @roderickjenkins93242

                      Hi Martin,

                      I had to go searching, it's the Chinese chuck thread.

                      **LINK**

                      Stay well,

                      Rod

                      #537308
                      martin perman 1
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                        @martinperman1

                        Thank you both,

                        Im out monday to wednesday afternoons and miss a lot of threads unless they pop up during the evening.

                        Martin P

                        #537319
                        Grizzly bear
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                          @grizzlybear

                          Larry,

                          Don't be too quick to slag off foreign made stuff.

                          China & Co. also make good stuff too.

                          Think positive.

                          Regards, Bear..

                          #537327
                          Swarf, Mostly!
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                            @swarfmostly
                            Posted by Grizzly bear on 31/03/2021 19:24:52:

                            Larry,

                            Don't be too quick to slag off foreign made stuff.

                            China & Co. also make good stuff too.

                            Think positive.

                            Regards, Bear..

                            Yes, but the transaction needs to be based on a comprehensive specification that includes the quality requirements – this needs to be formally accepted by the supplier.

                            There then needs to be an on-site inspector who truly acts on the buyer's behalf to ensure that the quality requirements are met.

                            Best regards,

                            Swarf, Mostly!

                            Edited By Swarf, Mostly! on 31/03/2021 19:52:16

                            #537335
                            Bazyle
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                              @bazyle

                              It's not just the Chinese themselves. We bought from the Korean's but after a year the Accountants said "ok but next year we want it 10% cheaper", or perhaps it was the new design but at the old price. So the Korean's had to go to a factory in China. Then after a while the Accountants played the game again so the production went to the Philippines.

                              #537363
                              not done it yet
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                                @notdoneityet

                                There then needs to be an on-site inspector who truly acts on the buyer's behalf to ensure that the quality requirements are met.

                                Not necessarily so. Well over twenty years ago a consignment was received, from China, at a place where I was working in the UK. When tested for conformity, they failed – and were simply rejected and sent back to China. Possibly more than one container load involved. After that they knew that QA was being applied at the user end and later consignments were to specification.

                                The items included brass work, contacts, circuit boards and more. They were required for building reliable and accurate meters with a long operating life-span without maintenance. Cheap under-specced devices were simply not acceptable.

                                #537369
                                Hopper
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                                  @hopper
                                  Posted by Howard Lewis on 31/03/2021 17:51:45:

                                  I immediately thought of pensioned off Gardners!

                                  If you choose to go it alone, and import direct, you take your chances. You might be lucky, but if not!!!!!!!

                                  Remember, if it looks too good to be true; it probably is.

                                  If you deal with reputable UK suppliers, you should be OK.

                                  It may be more expensive, but you have warranty, after sales support, and if you have to pay return shipping costs, it will be far cheaper than across the world.

                                  Someone 10,000 miles away is unlikely to be too concerned if you are unhappy with your purchase, fairly safe in the knowledge that the dud item will never be returned, or have an angry customer hammering on his door..

                                  Howard

                                  Yes and no.

                                  Some (but not all ) "reputable" suppliers seem to specialize in some pretty mediocre products. If you find a good one, stick with them.

                                  Edited By Hopper on 01/04/2021 00:11:22

                                  #537375
                                  Pete.
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                                    @pete-2

                                    A little off subject, but touching on what Hopper said, it could be useful to create a thread where forum members can share the suppliers of any tools and workshop supplies, I'm sure everyone here probably has used a small business that many others don't know about, difficult to source items etc, or maybe just businesses that provide good service.

                                    #537384
                                    Hopper
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                                      @hopper
                                      Posted by Pete. on 01/04/2021 01:11:41:

                                      A little off subject, but touching on what Hopper said, it could be useful to create a thread where forum members can share the suppliers of any tools and workshop supplies, I'm sure everyone here probably has used a small business that many others don't know about, difficult to source items etc, or maybe just businesses that provide good service.

                                      I think someone did start a "good service received" thread before. But while people are quick to jump up and down when they get poor service/goods, nobody much has posted on the good thread. I suppose people pay their money and expect to get what they paid for so it goes unremarked. Only in today's world has actual good service and goods living up to their claims become something to perhaps write home about.

                                      Getting back to Chinese junk proper, those pics you always see of Hong Kong with a Chinese junk sailing in the foreground? For the past 30 years it has all been the same one single remaining junk in Hong Kong, and now it is threatened with extinction due to no tourists. The end of Chinese junk, literally. Troubled Waters for Last Chinese Junk

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