Bench Drill identification

[Roger ClarkParticipant @rogerclark]

[Roger ClarkParticipant @rogerclark]

Back in the late sixties my father acquired and restored this bench drill:

This is the only id plate on it:

and this is the motor plate:

I don't know if this is the original motor or a replacement?

My reason for asking is that I want to replace the chuck but don't know if it is in a taper or threaded!

Thanks

Roger

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Can I chose between a Coconut and a Goldfish for my prize ?

**LINK**

http://www.lathes.co.uk/meddings-pacera/

MichaelG.

[Roger ClarkParticipant @rogerclark]

Thanks Michael,

Didn't think of looking there , I'm afraid the coconut has gone dry and the goldfish has sadly passed away but I can offer you a sprout from brussels in time for Christmas if I can get it past Customs ,

Now to see if it gives me the info about the chuck that I so badly need.

Regards

Roger

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

Any chuck should fit – if you choose a suitable arbor. It is worth a good quality keyless chuck if used a fair amount.

[Roger ClarkParticipant @rogerclark]

Posted by not done it yet on 20/11/2020 13:19:53:

Any chuck should fit – if you choose a suitable arbor. It is worth a good quality keyless chuck if used a fair amount.

Yep but I don't know if it's on a taper or threaded!

There is no readable id on the chuck. I have a number of chucks available but until I can remove it I don't know what fits. I can't attempt to remove it until I know the form of attachment in case I cause irreparable damage.

[egaParticipant @ega]

I couldn't see the answer from MichaelG's link but would guess it's on a taper. If so, there will be a gap between the chuck end of the taper and the body of the chuck. I suggest you hold a drill bit in a chuck on the table and drill up through the body of the chuck. If it breaks thorough into the gap you have your answer. You can then tap the hole and insert a jack-off screw to remove the chuck either from the spindle or arbor as the case may be.

[KWILParticipant @kwil]

Close up photo of the chuck/spindle area would assist. It appears to be a taper fit so the opposed wedges type of remover would work OK.

Edited By KWIL on 20/11/2020 16:19:59

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Rockingdodge on 20/11/2020 12:59:18:

Thanks Michael,

Didn't think of looking there , I'm afraid the coconut has gone dry and the goldfish has sadly passed away but I can offer you a sprout from brussels in time for Christmas if I can get it past Customs ,

Now to see if it gives me the info about the chuck that I so badly need.

Regards

Roger

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I only claimed the prize for identifying the machine, but will forego that

… please feel free to cremate the goldfish by burning the coconut.

As a bonus, I will mention that Meddings is still trading, and has a website : **LINK**

https://www.meddings.co.uk

They may be able to advise …

MichaelG.

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 20/11/2020 16:45:26

[Roger ClarkParticipant @rogerclark]

Posted by KWIL on 20/11/2020 16:19:34:

Close up photo of the chuck/spindle area would assist. It appears to be a taper fit so the opposed wedges type of remover would work OK.

Edited By KWIL on 20/11/2020 16:19:59

As requested:

I can get better pics of the inside tomorrow if they help.

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I only claimed the prize for identifying the machine, but will forego that

… please feel free to cremate the goldfish by burning the coconut.

As a bonus, I will mention that Meddings is still trading, and has a website : **LINK**

https://www.meddings.co.uk

They may be able to advise …

MichaelG."

Thanks Michael, any words you wish said at the cremation?

I have sent an email to Meddings in the hope of a parts list or manual as they do still stock certain wear parts, not the quill though.

Regards

Roger

[EmgeeParticipant @emgee]

Looks to me like a male taper at the end of the spindle, a pair of chuck wedges would establish the truth.

Emgee

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Rockingdodge on 20/11/2020 16:53:53:

 

Michael any words you wish said at the cremation?

 

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We are gathered here to say farewell to Goldie

This piece of Cod passeth all understanding

By the power of this desecrated coconut … Ashes to Ashes

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MichaelG.

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Credit to Edwin Lutyens:

https://www.lutyenstrust.org.uk/about-lutyens/biography/

 

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 20/11/2020 18:48:43

[Brian HParticipant @brianh50089]

Definitely looks like a taper; to hazard a guess I'd say Jacobs No 6 but might be better to wait and see if Meddings respond.

It looks to be a very useful drill though.

Brian

[Roger ClarkParticipant @rogerclark]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 20/11/2020 18:48:19:

Posted by Rockingdodge on 20/11/2020 16:53:53:

Michael any words you wish said at the cremation?

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We are gathered here to say farewell to Goldie

This piece of Cod passeth all understanding

By the power of this desecrated coconut … Ashes to Ashes

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MichaelG.

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Credit to Edwin Lutyens:

**LINK**

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 20/11/2020 18:48:43

Haha, sweet but shouldn't it be "By the power of this dessicated coconut … battered or breaded"?

Brian H

I think you're right but I will wait for Meddings for a couple of days but I'll take a photo right inside the chuck and post it as I'm sure that it is the end of the spindle that can be seen.

Roger

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Rockingdodge on 20/11/2020 19:37:07:

[…]

but shouldn't it be "By the power of this dessicated coconut … battered or breaded"?

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At which point, the congregation sings:

There’s a plaice for us __ Somewhere a plaice for us

MichaelG.

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P.S. My use of desecrated was not a typo

[Roger ClarkParticipant @rogerclark]

Oh Michael, we're having a whale of a time.

G'dnite

Roger

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Kippers for breakfast, Roger ?

MichaelG.

[Roger ClarkParticipant @rogerclark]

As promised here is a couple of photos from inside the chuck. Do they help with identifying if it's a taper or a screwed chuck?

Regards

Roger (floundering )

Michael

What are you carping on about? You're being a bit of a clownfish now , no disrespect intended but I'm struggling now 

Edited By Rockingdodge on 21/11/2020 11:16:46

[larry phelan 1Participant @larryphelan1]

This looks to me to something of a red herring !

[DiogenesIIParticipant @diogenesii]

Is that hole threaded? ..it looks exactly what I'd expect if some former owner has used it to jack the chuck off it's taper before.. ..the 'witness' further in looks as if the end of a bolt has borne on the end of the taper within.

Pretty sure that the other Meddings "lightweight" offering, the Driltru, has a male Jacobs Taper on the end of the spindle. Certain that the smaller Pollards do.

I'd always thought that screwed chucks only really became widespread on pistol drills?

[Roger ClarkParticipant @rogerclark]

Woohoo! success

I made a couple of wedges after seeing the price of commercial items and orft it jolly well popped.

The top taper measured approx:

and the bottom:

So it seems to be in the realms of a J6 taper.

Now to give myself a heart attack and see how much a half inch keyless chuck is going to cost Santa!

Thanks for all your help and advice, much appreciated.

Roger

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Rockingdodge on 22/11/2020 15:06:13:

Woohoo! success

[…]

Now to give myself a heart attack and see how much a half inch keyless chuck is going to cost Santa!

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Just quickly fishing around … about £70 for a Rohm 871054

… and less for a lesser one.

MichaelG.

[Roger ClarkParticipant @rogerclark]

Well, what a surprise, I received an email from Emma @ Meddings machine tools this morning. I now know my machine was born in May 1954 so I was about 2 1/2 then!

I cleaned up the taper and put the 10th indicator and could see no discernable run-out or bearing wear, good enough for me.

Roger

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Excellent !!

MichaelG.

[Oily RagParticipant @oilyrag]

Rotagrip in Birmingham do a reasonably priced keyless chuck which I can recommend as excellent VFM.

Usual disclaimer – no connections other than a satisfied customer.

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