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  • #612434
    Robert Bowen-Cattry
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      Good afternoon all.

      My current project requires a 7/32-40 UNS die. All I can seem to find with a Google Search is ME dies, but as I understand the thread angle of these is 55, and the UNS is 60.

      So the question is, does anyone know a UK based online resoure for UNS dies?

      Cheers,

      Bob

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      #34072
      Robert Bowen-Cattry
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        #612435
        Robert Butler
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          @robertbutler92161

          Tracy Tools list 7/32" UNS as 24, 28, 32 & 36 TPI NOT 40TPI??

          Robert Butler

           

          Edited By Robert Butler on 05/09/2022 13:20:47

          Edited By Robert Butler on 05/09/2022 13:22:36

          #612439
          JasonB
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            @jasonb

            Might be worth trying #12-40 rather than 7/32-40 as below 1/4" they use a number system.

            My usual chart does list it under UNS but as you say not many about in teh UK

            #612440
            Thor 🇳🇴
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              @thor

              #12-40 is listed on eBay.

              Thor

              #612444
              Robert Bowen-Cattry
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                @robertbowen-cattry70600

                Thanks gents.

                I looked at Tracy Tools but as said they don't list the 7/32-40.

                A bit wary of the ebay offering as it appears to originate from China.

                Will look into the 12-40, might have to end up getting one from the States.

                #612446
                Anonymous

                  There is no mention of 7/32"-40 UNS in any of my professional engineering books. I would agree with JB that 12-40 is the closest listed thread.

                  From a practical point of view it should be easy enough to screwcut. Alternatively the difference in width at the base of the flank between the hypothetical 7/32"-40UNS and 7/32"-40ME is less than a thou. So unless the application requires precision fits a 7/32"-40ME die will be fine.

                  Andrew

                  #612448
                  Robert Bowen-Cattry
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                    @robertbowen-cattry70600

                    Interesting, thanks Andrew.

                    I'm wanting to make some apertures to fit into a Skinner rifle sight. I was originally going to get the ME die, but some online reading suggested the pitch difference in the threads wouldn't work at all.

                    In terms of the application, it's going in a 7/32-40/12-40 hole on a sight fitted to a .44 magnum rifle. Although there will be significant recoil, if I can get the aperture tightened into the sight it should all be good.

                    #612451
                    Michael Gilligan
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                      @michaelgilligan61133

                      This would seem to confirm that 12-40 is Skinner’s thread: **LINK**

                      Apertures

                      MichaelG.

                      #612457
                      Robert Bowen-Cattry
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                        @robertbowen-cattry70600

                        Yes, Skinner states 12-40, however online reading suggested the 7/32-40 was more prevalent and would work.

                        #612464
                        old mart
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                          @oldmart

                          I notice that 12 size unified is only 0.00275" smaller than 7/32", so if you can get a split die, the size could be matched pretty well.

                          #612469
                          Robert Bowen-Cattry
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                            @robertbowen-cattry70600

                            Agreed, I think (from what I read online) that's why the 7/32-40 was recommended. Also because other sight makers (Willaims, Lymans, etc) seem to favour this over the 12-40, so I could always make apertures for other club members if required.

                            However I still have the issue of where to get a 7/32-40 UNS die from without importing from the States. To answer my own question, I don't think I will be able to, unless I risk it with the ME equivalent.

                            #612484
                            Howard Lewis
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                              @howardlewis46836

                              Zeus Charts list 12-24 ANC as 0.216", 12–28 ANF as 0.216" diameter

                              Since 7/32 is 0.218", If yo use a 12-40 UNS die, you are likely to produce what you want.

                              Being 0.002" underisze will probably be the truncation applied to Unified threads, so you should have no problem.

                              Tracy Tools list 7/32 x 36 UNS and say "Many more sizes not listed" so they can probably supply what you want.

                              I suspect that 7/32 is being quoted as the nearest fractional size to the size 12 Unified threads, so I would turn the blank to 0.216" before using the Dies, since that is the specified OD.

                              Howard

                              #612511
                              Robert Bowen-Cattry
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                                @robertbowen-cattry70600

                                Good suggestion, I will call Tracy tomorrow.

                                #612516
                                bernard towers
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                                  @bernardtowers37738

                                  can’t you screwcut it?

                                  #612519
                                  Robert Bowen-Cattry
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                                    @robertbowen-cattry70600

                                    Possibly. I'm not sure if my lathe (WM180) can cut that thread, and I've never cut a thread that small before. However, I may potentially be making a few apertures so it seems to make sense to go the die route. Work smart and not hard.

                                    #612527
                                    Anonymous
                                      Posted by Robert Bowen-Cattry on 05/09/2022 16:14:28:

                                      However I still have the issue of where to get a 7/32-40 UNS die from without importing from the States. To answer my own question, I don't think I will be able to, unless I risk it with the ME equivalent.

                                      I've never heard of a 7/32-40 UNS on this side of the pond either….. #12-40 UNS, sure.

                                      My guess is that someone, somewhere has "rounded off" the #12 for his own purposes …. possibly to emphasise that it can be die-cut on 7/32 rod. Although, given that UNS is reserved for "Special" threads, I guess people can make what they want, both in dia and tpi as long as they stick to the UN thread form. Getting commercially available dies in that case might be problematic though.

                                      #612535
                                      Michael Gilligan
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                                        @michaelgilligan61133

                                        Just an aside:

                                        I may be wrong [it’s happened before!] but … looking at the modus operandi for these sights, I would be very surprised if the manufacturers cut their threads ‘from scratch’ with a die: It would be preferable to screw-cut it in the lathe [and only use a die for final sizing, if necessary].

                                        MichaelG.

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                                        Edited By Michael Gilligan on 06/09/2022 04:44:09

                                        #612540
                                        Michael Gilligan
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                                          @michaelgilligan61133

                                          Just had a look for a decent picture of the Skinner item

                                          The one at bottom-left of this page: **LINK** is the best I could find

                                          https://gunblast.com/SkinnerSights.htm

                                          [click the picture for a better size]

                                          It certainly appears that Andy* makes a good job of the threads [which look much better finished than the knurling]

                                          The next question must be : Being Unified threads … which class of fit is used ?

                                          MichaelG.

                                          [*] **LINK** http://skinnersights.com/the_shop_9.html

                                           

                                          Ref. __ **LINK** https://www.fastenal.com/content/feds/pdf/Article%20-%20Screw%20Threads%20Design.pdf

                                           

                                          Edited By Michael Gilligan on 06/09/2022 08:10:53

                                          #612603
                                          bernard towers
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                                            @bernardtowers37738

                                            If your lathe is metric only cut a 1 mm pitch it will fit especially the number of threads you need, it will be finished before you’ve filled in an online order .

                                            #612604
                                            JasonB
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                                              @jasonb
                                              Posted by bernard towers on 06/09/2022 19:09:21:

                                              If your lathe is metric only cut a 1 mm pitch it will fit especially the number of threads you need, it will be finished before you’ve filled in an online order .

                                              How does that work Bernard, 40tpi is 0.635mm pitch

                                              #612631
                                              bernard towers
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                                                @bernardtowers37738

                                                Doh sorry its been a long day.

                                                #612662
                                                Robert Bowen-Cattry
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                                                  @robertbowen-cattry70600

                                                  Thanks for the replies gents, I didn't get a chance to call Tracy so have emailed them instead. Will report back when I get a response.

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