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  • #159513
    Brian lightfoot
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      @brianlightfoot39268

      anyone recognise 5/16 x 20 tpi thread very close to m8 metric .A place to buy some bolts would be good.

      all the best Brian.

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      Brian lightfoot
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        @brianlightfoot39268
        #159516
        Speedy Builder5
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          @speedybuilder5

          Just watch out, as your 5/16 x 20tpi may be 55degree thread angle and the 8mm will be 60degree.

          #159520
          Neil Wyatt
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            @neilwyatt

            It will be either cycle thread (55 degrees) or UNS (unified special) at 60 degrees.

            You may have to thread your own bolts.

            Neil

            #159525
            JasonB
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              @jasonb

              Are you spot on 5/16" ? if its a fraction more at 0.320" then 20-20 ASME is a contender. Whats the item that has the threade dholes in?

              J

              #159534
              Brian lightfoot
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                @brianlightfoot39268

                The items the holes are in is car mascots from the 1920s. one French and two English the bolts are way past the best so hard to measure the size. The nuts across the flats are larger than the 8mm that fits in the tapped hole in the underside of the mascots.

                All the best brian

                #159538
                Michael Gilligan
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                  @michaelgilligan61133

                  Unlikely as it sounds, Brian; these are very probably Cycle Thread [as suggested by Neil]

                  I know you were after bolts; but you may be interested to know that RDG is listing 5/16" 20 tpi taps on ebay.

                  MichaelG.

                  .

                  Edit: Not now quite so sure about the Cycle Thread … these are usually 26 tpi

                  … More digging required !!

                  Digging done [fairly quick, due to a lingering "folk-memory"] … have a look at the middle of the first paragraph, here.

                  thumbs up

                  Edited By Michael Gilligan on 02/08/2014 21:39:03

                  Edited By Michael Gilligan on 02/08/2014 21:48:30

                  #159541
                  Brian lightfoot
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                    @brianlightfoot39268

                    Good information so far. But I would like to find some nuts and bolts 3 of each would do.

                    Thank you for the replys.

                    Brian

                    #159542
                    Michael Gilligan
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                      @michaelgilligan61133

                      Brian,

                      This guy is probably the most likely source

                      StigFasteners

                      … But his ebay shop is currently closed.

                      MichaelG.

                      #159544
                      stan pearson 1
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                        @stanpearson1

                        Brian

                        Have a word with Martin at Emkaysupplies.co.uk he will help you if he can.

                        Stan

                        #159557
                        ANDY CAWLEY
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                          @andycawley24921

                          I suspect you are looking at a thread that complies with British Standard 86. My copy is the1956 version. It covers (among other things) a constant pitch series of threads of 20tpi of whitworth form, that is 55degrees.

                          I am aware of this because all GN and Frazer Nash motor cars manufactured up to the mid thirties had threaded components,as distinct from fasteners, at 20tpi.

                          http://www.tracytools.com/ stock taps and dies of this type.

                          Edited By ANDY CAWLEY on 03/08/2014 04:43:09

                          Edited By ANDY CAWLEY on 03/08/2014 04:46:28

                          Edited By ANDY CAWLEY on 03/08/2014 04:47:45

                          #159578
                          Brian Wood
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                            @brianwood45127

                            Brian and others,

                            Would it be heresy to suggest a Bodger's Lodge solution and tap the holes M8, using stainless steel bolts to hold the mascot?

                            Chasing old standards like that takes time and will of course be in the spirit of period matching as the National Trust approach, but I question whether that matters in this case.

                            I'll take cover now in the shelter!

                            Brian

                            #159580
                            Tony Pratt 1
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                              @tonypratt1
                              Posted by Brian Wood on 03/08/2014 10:28:02:

                              Brian and others,

                              Would it be heresy to suggest a Bodger's Lodge solution and tap the holes M8, using stainless steel bolts to hold the mascot?

                              Chasing old standards like that takes time and will of course be in the spirit of period matching as the National Trust approach, but I question whether that matters in this case.

                              I'll take cover now in the shelter!

                              Brian

                              I was going to suggest exactly what you have stated, use something standard.

                              Tony

                              #159582
                              OuBallie
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                                @ouballie

                                As an aside, I recently stripped the front bodywork off of my '35 Austin Seven, and the air was blue whilst doing so.

                                The previous owner, who did a body off restoration, used whatever bolts came to hand when putting things back, resulting in me being on an endless search for suitable Metric, Whitworth et al spanners.

                                Geoff – Relaxing before another session with the 'darling'

                                #159590
                                Ady1
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                                  @ady1

                                  The previous owner, who did a body off restoration, used whatever bolts came to hand when putting things back, resulting in me being on an endless search for suitable Metric, Whitworth et al spanners.

                                  I've mentioned these before

                                  Stanley ratchet spanners

                                   

                                  A mere 3 spanners will cover you from 5-24mm and fit every imperial or metric nut ever made

                                  Great for dismantling old bits of kit with weird nuts and bolts

                                  Edited By Ady1 on 03/08/2014 12:14:24

                                  #159592
                                  Brian Wood
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                                    @brianwood45127

                                    Hello Geoff,

                                    When I was struggling for cash as a young fella in funding my first car, a 1937 Morris 8, I stripped down the bottom end of the engine with a hexagon stamped bicycle spanner and a hammer. Same tools to put it together again!

                                    I did though have to fork out for a ring spanner or two to tackle the head bolts to decoke it.

                                    Happy days

                                    Brian

                                    #159603
                                    Russell Eberhardt
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                                      @russelleberhardt48058
                                      Posted by Brian lightfoot on 02/08/2014 21:19:19:

                                      The items the holes are in is car mascots from the 1920s. one French and two English the bolts are way past the best so hard to measure the size. The nuts across the flats are larger than the 8mm that fits in the tapped hole in the underside of the mascots.

                                      You don't mention the make of car but some cars of the 1920s and 1930s, notably Morris, used metric threads (strictly French Automobile Thread) but with Whitworth sized heads and nuts so that English garages could use their existing spanners.

                                      It could be 8 x 1.25 mm. The thread form is close enough to be able to use ISO metric.

                                      Russell.

                                      #159617
                                      Brian lightfoot
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                                        @brianlightfoot39268

                                        One mascot is French peugot and two English ,<AEL> I could use metric bolts but I like things to be authentic as possible. One way of spoting fake mascots is by checking the threds .

                                        Looks like I need to make some on the myford , Wish I had the Cri-dan I used when working for Rolls Royce Motors in Crewe.

                                        Thanks for all the help Brian

                                        #159637
                                        John Stevenson 1
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                                          @johnstevenson1

                                          M8 thread is 8mm x 1.25 pitch

                                          or converted to English

                                          0.3149 x 20.32 tpi

                                          Compared to 0.3125 x 20 then you must have eyeballs like a vulture.

                                          #159662
                                          JA
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                                            @ja

                                            Please note that British Cycle threads are 60 degrees and are generally 26 t.p.i. British Brass threads are Whitworth (55 degrees) and were generally 26 t.p.i. (The two are not interchangeable).

                                            Having got that bee out of my bonnet, it was common practice, before WW2, amongst a lot of manufactures to use die boxes to cut non-standard Whitworth threads by just opening the box up or closing it down. These manufactures included AJS (the Wolverhampton company, not the later name owned by Matchless Motorcycles) and the Bristol aero-engine company.

                                            Do you know the providence of what ever has this thread?

                                            JA

                                            #159736
                                            Brian lightfoot
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                                              @brianlightfoot39268

                                              John

                                              The eyes are poor but I have a very good feel/tuch with threds as I used to cut them all the time when I worked on a machine.

                                              All the best Brian.

                                              #159739
                                              John Stevenson 1
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                                                @johnstevenson1

                                                Must have a touch like a bloody midwife if you can feel 2 and a bit thou and 0.3tpi pitch difference

                                                #159744
                                                Russell Eberhardt
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                                                  @russelleberhardt48058
                                                  Posted by Brian lightfoot on 03/08/2014 17:04:12:

                                                  One mascot is French peugot and two English ,<AEL> I could use metric bolts but I like things to be authentic as possible.

                                                  If you wish to be authentic surely the mascot should be fitted with a stud and not a bolt. I have owned a number of vintage cars with mascots on the radiator cap and not one of them used a bolt.

                                                  The Peugot one would almost certainly used French Automobile Thread and the AEL one was probably BSF. If you can tell the difference between 8 x 1.25 French Automobile Thread and 8 x 1.25 ISO Metric without a shadowgraph or equivalent you are a better man than I.

                                                  Russell

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