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  • #576413
    Chris Trice
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      @christrice43267

      I've got to cut a 5BA thread on something which is a horrendously inconvenient 43 TPI. Can anyone suggest a set of change wheels running off an 8 TPI lead screw (Myford Super 7). A tiny error might not matter but I need to be close. While my maths is good and the principles understood, this is taxing me. Comparing notes will help.

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      #28476
      Chris Trice
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        @christrice43267

        How To

        #576414
        JasonB
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          @jasonb

          Couple of charts in this thread and plenty more on the net

          #576416
          Les Jones 1
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            @lesjones1

            Hi Chris,
            Here is a link to a program that will do the calculation for you. You give it a list of the change wheels you have, the leadscrew pitch and the pitch you want to cut. It tries all combinations and tells you the percentage error for each suggested combination.

            Edit. I've just tried the link on that page to "Nthreadp.exe" but it does not seem to work. I have a copy of the program which I could email to you or if you post a list of the change wheels that you have I will run it and give you the results.

            Les.

            Edited By Les Jones 1 on 23/12/2021 16:18:11

            #576418
            Brian Wood
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              @brianwood45127

              Hello Chris,

              Two results for you:-

              Gearbox lathe Mandrel 20 Gearbox set for 36 TPI Result Pitch = 0.588 mm [42.2 tpi]

              Plain lathe Mandrel 20 1st stud Driven 60, onwards driver 35 2nd stud Idler leadscrew 63 Same result as above

              Regards Brian

              #576421
              JasonB
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                @jasonb

                The one I linked to (now below) looks closer or 0.6mm pitch is very close

                Edited By JasonB on 23/12/2021 16:23:28

                #576460
                bernard towers
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                  @bernardtowers37738

                  Why do you find it necessary to screwcut a 5 ba thread??

                  #576464
                  Oldiron
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                    @oldiron
                    Posted by bernard towers on 23/12/2021 21:25:57:

                    Why do you find it necessary to screwcut a 5 ba thread??

                    For lack of a die ?? devil Hiding behind the sofa .

                    regards

                    #576487
                    Chris Trice
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                      @christrice43267

                      Thanks everyone for the replies. I managed to get the thread calculator working and managed to get it within 1/10th of a tooth over 1" which is more than enough as I'm only machining about 3/8th" of thread. In answer to the question what's it for, I'm machining the body threads on an old Devilbiss airbrush and although the bore is about 11mm, the thread is the same as a 5BA machine screw. I suspect they may have used 5BA Coventry die head chasers as a cutting tool. It's not 44tpi and it's not 42tpi. The only thread I can find inbetween is 5BA which is 43tpi. I may braze up a tool from a die head as a cutting tool. The important thing is it's close enough to do the job.

                      #576490
                      JasonB
                      Moderator
                        @jasonb

                        Strange they would have gone with a BA pitch being an American maker and the other threads like the one for the hose are UNEF

                        #576545
                        bernard towers
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                          @bernardtowers37738

                          Have you tried 0.6mm pitch?

                          #576580
                          Neil Wyatt
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                            @neilwyatt
                            Posted by Chris Trice on 24/12/2021 03:35:58:

                            Thanks everyone for the replies. I managed to get the thread calculator working and managed to get it within 1/10th of a tooth over 1" which is more than enough as I'm only machining about 3/8th" of thread. In answer to the question what's it for, I'm machining the body threads on an old Devilbiss airbrush and although the bore is about 11mm, the thread is the same as a 5BA machine screw. I suspect they may have used 5BA Coventry die head chasers as a cutting tool. It's not 44tpi and it's not 42tpi. The only thread I can find inbetween is 5BA which is 43tpi. I may braze up a tool from a die head as a cutting tool. The important thing is it's close enough to do the job.

                            It's not just M0.6 is it?

                            #576715
                            Howard Lewis
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                              @howardlewis46836

                              Possibles.

                              5 BA is 47.5 degree thread, 0.59 mm pitch, 0.126" diameter.

                              5 – 44 ANF is 60 degree thread, 0.125" diameter.

                              As it being an American product, I would suspect 5-44 ANF being what you want.

                              Howard

                              #576720
                              peak4
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                                @peak4
                                Posted by Howard Lewis on 25/12/2021 11:31:34:

                                Possibles.

                                5 BA is 47.5 degree thread, 0.59 mm pitch, 0.126" diameter.

                                5 – 44 ANF is 60 degree thread, 0.125" diameter.

                                As it being an American product, I would suspect 5-44 ANF being what you want.

                                Howard

                                Howard, apparently the bore is about 11mm, it's just the pitch that's odd.
                                Maybe like Herbert used one-off threads for their die heads, so one had to go direct to them for spares.

                                Bill

                                #576725
                                Ady1
                                Participant
                                  @ady1

                                  Whenever possible I always redo an imperial with a metric tap

                                  Almost all my Drummond cross slide/saddle stuff has been converted to metric hex bolts for example

                                  Just an option to consider

                                  #576786
                                  Michael Gilligan
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                                    @michaelgilligan61133

                                    I don’t know if this will be of any interest, Chris … but it seems worth a mention:

                                    **LINK**

                                    Aerograph Replacement Handle – Fits Sprite/Sprite Major

                                    [ Reading between the lines, I’m guessing this has the thread in question. ]

                                    MichaelG.

                                    #576796
                                    Chris Trice
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                                      @christrice43267

                                      I know Everything Airbrush as they are the official inheritors of the Devilbiss brand and spares. One of the guys there worked for Devilbiss assembling the airbrushes on the production line. It's not 0.6mm. I took a silicone mould of the internal thread and then compared it to various thread gauges viewed through a jewellers loupe with an engraved scale. As mentioned, 44 gauge is too fine and the 42 gauge is too coarse. Incidentally the originator of the DeVilbiss Aerograph airbrush was American but they have been manufactured exclusively in England for more than a hundred years, essentially unchanged apart from modern materials being introduced. The external air valve thread as mentioned is 3/8 UNEF and the thread in the handle (still available) is 5/16 x 32. The thread I'm chasing (see what I did there?) is the thread in the forward part of the body. All the dimension of the airbrush appear to be imperial (needles are 3/64" diameter rather than the more common 1.2mm. Unless anyone can suggest another thread with a virtually identical pitch, 5BA (43 tpi) is all I've got.

                                      #576797
                                      Chris Trice
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                                        @christrice43267

                                        devilbiss.jpg

                                        #576807
                                        Michael Gilligan
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                                          @michaelgilligan61133
                                          Posted by Chris Trice on 26/12/2021 03:25:15:
                                          .

                                          I know Everything Airbrush as they are the official inheritors of the Devilbiss brand and spares. One of the guys there worked for Devilbiss assembling the airbrushes on the production line. It's not 0.6mm. I took a silicone mould of the internal thread […]

                                          .

                                          So … have you checked that the thread form is BA ?

                                          If [as you have reasonably assumed] the parts were originally made using BA tooling then the form should match.

                                          MichaelG.

                                          #576813
                                          JasonB
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                                            @jasonb

                                            Thury and Lowenherz would be close pitches to 5BA particularly Thury at 43.1tpi

                                            #576828
                                            Chris Trice
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                                              @christrice43267

                                              That's a thought. The thread is so fine though I'm not sure the actual thread form is going to play a big part. I have to say looking at the thread, it's more akin to a regular 55 or 60 degree thread form than the rather more rounded BA thread.

                                              #576831
                                              Chris Trice
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                                                @christrice43267

                                                Apparently the smaller Thury threads are BA form anyway. The larger are more akin to metric.

                                                https://www.sizes.com/tools/thread_thury.htm

                                                #576838
                                                Michael Gilligan
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                                                  @michaelgilligan61133
                                                  Posted by Chris Trice on 26/12/2021 11:48:35:

                                                  That's a thought. The thread is so fine though I'm not sure the actual thread form is going to play a big part. I have to say looking at the thread, it's more akin to a regular 55 or 60 degree thread form than the rather more rounded BA thread.

                                                  .

                                                  Which would, unfortunately, tend to not support your hypothesis that they used 5BA Coventry die head chasers.

                                                  MichaelG.

                                                  #576843
                                                  JasonB
                                                  Moderator
                                                    @jasonb

                                                    And points more towards Lowerherz form or a well worn 44tpi UNS

                                                    #576995
                                                    Tim Stevens
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                                                      @timstevens64731

                                                      Chris – It was actually the BA threads which were based on Thury dimensions, not t'other way round.

                                                      Cheers, Tim

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