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  • #821846
    Michael Gilligan
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      @michaelgilligan61133

      I’m sure many of us have tales to tell [or not tell] of expense fiddles

      … but this is a step above what I remember seeing.

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      MichaelG.

      #821849
      IanT
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        @iant

        In parts of Italy, staff were (by law) allowed to claim lunch expense if they had to travel beyond the city limits. The Supervisor in Rome had claimed lunch nearly every working day over the past three years. Always from the same three restaurants just outside the city but which were at different points of the compass. This despite the fact that his role was primarily desk-based in the city centre. His (Italian) manager pointed out that the receipts were all properly printed documents and seemed genuine.

        I pointed out that the same waiter seemed to have signed all of the receipts!

        Maybe an AI would have varied it a little ?   🙂

         

        IanT

        #821854
        Bo’sun
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          @bosun58570

          It was Italy, what do you expect?

          #821857
          David Ambrose
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            @davidambrose86182

            In the eighties whilst away on business I went to a restaurant on the Wirral. They recommended their sister restaurant, partly because they did “good receipts”.

            #821877
            Robert Atkinson 2
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              @robertatkinson2

              I’ve had the opposite.
              Many years ago drove from Bournemouth to Yeovil on a Sunday to fix an aircraft. Claim for lunch at a Little Chef was rejected because it wan’t more than 8 hours work and more than the MOD “snack” rate which appeared to be bases on the price of a cup of tea at the NAAFI (Navy, Army and Air Force Institutes). No I didn’t work for the MOD. I made it very clear what my answer would be the next time they asked me to come out for an AOG (Aircraft On Ground) at the weekend.

              More recently I had a claim questioned not once but twice. This was for a trip to North America that was supposed to be 3 days and ended up 3 weeks. Not surprisingly I ran out of clean clothes. As the hotel (not work) had put me in a suite that had a washing machine and dryer I decided to by some laundry detergent (less than $5 inc tax) and DIY rather than pay the hotel $3 to wash a pair of socks and £6 for a shirt.
              Accounts first queried “what I bought laundry soap for”. What do you think! Then after it was paid I was asked to confirm that I had not brought the remaining detergent back with me as it would be a taxable benefit. You could not make it up.

              Robert.

              #821878
              JA
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                @ja

                Back in 2001 I was sent to the States on business. Many times when you received a receipt you were given the option of stating the amount shown. I was not given this option in Italy.

                JA

                #821902
                Harry Wilkes
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                  @harrywilkes58467

                  When I first started I work the company that I worked for produced lift’s,also magnetic separators which required working on site. after I  been there 6 months I was sent as part of the away team, the chap in charge paid the bills and claimed the expenses so one day shortly after returning from a job away the manager stopped me in the works asked me how i\ found the experience working on site he also casually what I;d had for my evening meal the night before returning home I told him but cant remember all these years later. at the At of the of the week the chap leading that team was given his ‘card’s’ it seemed that he had been fiddling the expenses for a long time but alas it caught up with him.

                  H

                  #821911
                  noel shelley
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                    @noelshelley55608

                    Priceless Gentlemen, thank you !  The one about the Wirral I sent to a friend who lives there and travels all over the world on business – I await their reply with interest. Noel

                    #821921
                    Bazyle
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                      @bazyle

                      A couple of years after I started work, so about ’81, the site accountant and his secretary who paid our expenses in cash were asked to leave owing to £20k of er dubious ‘expense claims’. A 3 bed terrace house was £15k at the time.
                      A few years later we were allowed several pounds a day for ‘snacks’ but had to provide receipts for plausible items, typically doughnuts and coffee. One evening a group of us realised that we had not used our allowance so as a joke bought every banana in the only open shop we could find and handed them out at work the next day.

                      #821944
                      Robert Atkinson 2
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                        @robertatkinson2

                        Another one from North America. Because of work locations I normally have a hire car but there are exceptions like Washington DC and Boston were a car is more of a liability. I the early 2000’s Boston taxis were pretty poor. I did notice that when asking for a receipt you got handed a blank pre-printed slip. All the companies seemed to use the same slip. So you had to remember the the amount, company and taxi number. One day I got out with my slip, pen in hand, looked at the taxi plate and it was ABC Cabs No. 123. That’s not going to odd to accounts at all….
                        Later in that trip a cab took me the “long way round” crossing the Charles river 3 times. I (work) paid the fair and he gave me the slip and the change. I then told him that as he had taken me for a ride I would not be tipping him. He grabbed the slip back and filled it in – result!

                        Robert.

                        #821945
                        Martin Connelly
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                          @martinconnelly55370

                          Where I worked some people who had been away for a course that involved an over night stop got relieved of the need to come back to work again after they submitted their expenses. They had handed over receipts with consecutive serial numbers for evening meals and breakfasts. The accounts department thought this was odd so checked with where they stayed, asking if it was likely they did not do many receipts and the answer was they did tens of them every evening.

                          Martin C

                          #821946
                          Chris Crew
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                            @chriscrew66644

                            The majority of my working life was spent in an installation and commissioning role within the telecoms industry employed by an equipment manufacturing company which meant that I, and my fellow workers, could be sent to any telephone exchange in the country. Until about the mid 90’s the employers and unions had a formal agreement, recognized by the then Inland Revenue for tax exemption, which set out mileage bands for daily travel from home in private cars and accommodation rates when the distance was too great for commuting. If the distance from home was over 32 miles the accommodation rate could be claimed, which in the days before the ‘chain’ hotels were established, and lorry drivers did not sleep in their cabs, this usually meant a ‘transport’ doss house. Because of this, working away was not popular with many people and any transfer away from home was fiercely resisted but it was amazing how many people just happened to live exactly 32 miles from the site they were working on, no matter how little the distance really was. In reality, there was a certain amount of collusion by at least one employer in the industry as the fact that tax-free ‘expenses’ could be claimed, and were factored into the price of the contract, lessened the pressure for rises in basic hourly pay.

                            As the technology changed and contracts became shorter, days and weeks rather than months and years, the companies now merged into one corporate body moved to putting itinerant employees into company cars and paying for a short stay in a so-called budget hotel when necessary. Even then I knew of many cases where questionable accommodation claims were made but it was deemed ‘gross misconduct’ and dismissals did take place if a fraudulent claim was discovered. Fortunately, I survived! (only joking)

                            #821985
                            Sandgrounder
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                              @sandgrounder

                              Years ago on my last return train journey from London Euston to Liverpool Lime Street I decided to eat in the Dining Car, when the train pulled into Lime Street and all the diners stood up to leave dozens of rep’s with brief cases fought their way into the Dining Car and scrabbled about searching for all the discarded receipts on the tables and floor, presumably just having finished their homemade egg butties.

                              #821991
                              gerry madden
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                                @gerrymadden53711

                                I worked in a small engineering team once and regarding expenses for trips/ customer visits we were all as honest and respectful of the system as the day is light. It was usual to have an ‘Asian’ from the head office join us for short stints to see what was going on and these were, on the most part, decent and professional people. However on one occasion we received a young chap who was not like the others in multiple ways. After a few months he was caught submitting duplicate receipts with his expenses. When challenged he said “I have had been told that all Brits fiddle their expenses so I’m just doing the same to fit in.”

                                He went on to have a ‘complex’ career. I was told later that his own countrymen referred to him as ‘the Alien’.

                                 

                                #822045
                                Howard Lewis
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                                  @howardlewis46836

                                  Having been sent to our US factory, for three months, UK conditions for overseas travel were all expenses paid.

                                  We had trouble getting the weekly claims processed as the US factory did not pay for lunch. It almost resulted in the UK team going on strike.

                                  It had to be pointed out that we were all there on UK conditions, and that the local manager did not have the authority to vary UK conditions.

                                  I am certain that advantage was taken of some of the bars being prepared to give blank receipts, but no one was ever caught if they did abuse the system.

                                  This was many many years ago, so modern technology would make any spurious receipts harder to detect.

                                  Howard

                                  #822073
                                  Robert Atkinson 2
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                                    @robertatkinson2

                                    The problem with modern receipts produced by thermal printers is that they fade away remarkably quickly.

                                    #822219
                                    Wade Beatty
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                                      @wadebeatty78296

                                      Norwegian taxi receipts which are VERY expensive even for short trips are printed on these thermal printers as well, scan them quick or take a phone photo of them! By the end of the month when doing expenses they are blank, on both sides.

                                       

                                      W

                                      #822263
                                      Dave Wootton
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                                        @davewootton

                                        Not really an expenses fiddle, but some might find it amusing. I worked at one time at one of the major newspaper production sites and as I usually only had any real work to do when something mechanical went wrong, was given the side job of collecting in and checking the time sheets. We had a major transformer/ switchgear fire one night and everyone was called in and expected to work until the power was back on. It was accepted that we would be paid overtime for 24 hours a day, grabbing a rest when we could. took about three days in total and on collecting the time sheets in one chap had booked on his time sheet 25 hours each day, I questioned this pointing out there were only 24 hours in a day and he calmly stated ” but I worked my lunch hour!”

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