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  • #811537
    Martin King 2
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      @martinking2

      Hi All,

      This large odd item came in an auction lot this week:

      Clearly marked what it is but I have no idea what it might have been used for?

      Any help much appreciated.

      Cheers, Martin

       

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      #811549
      Nicholas Farr
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        @nicholasfarr14254

        Hi Martin, no idea what it is used for, but RAF Marham on the box reminds me when a workmate and myself did some work inside one of their workshops, and from what I remember, it was modifying/repairing some security caged areas. They had some pretty and expensive Aircraft parts to to store in the place. Bit of a faff signing in and out of the camp though.

        Regards Nick.

        #811564
        martin haysom
        Participant
          @martinhaysom48469

          its a kit for probing a rad pulse

          #811565
          peak4
          Participant
            @peak4

            A better view, or typed out version, of the NSN might assist.
            I’m assuming it’s the NATO Stock Number.
            There’s a few sites around which have search engines.
            e.g. https://www.milspares.co.uk/products-services/nato-codified-commodities
            or https://www.iso-group.com/Public/Search_Results.aspx?ss=01t-c-20900
            I also have an ex RAF friend looking at this one.

            Bill

            #811593
            SillyOldDuffer
            Moderator
              @sillyoldduffer
              On Nicholas Farr Said:

              … Bit of a faff signing in and out of the camp though.

              Regards Nick.

              Many strange experiences visiting MoD sites, forgivable because they had to be serious about security due to active terrorism and intrusive Foreign Intelligence Services!

              My favourite occurred at Devonport Dockyard, where at 8am a packed waiting room and queue out the door was being processed by a portly and aged policeman.   He was unbelievably slow, apparently half asleep.  No one complained, perhaps because he was armed with a pistol.

              After about 40 minutes, there was an audible sigh of relief when a sergeant appeared.  Until he said, in a strong Plymouth accent, ‘ere je-arge, would you like a cuppa tea?’   On the affirmative, he disappeared.  No tea turned up in the 30 minutes it took me to get my pass!   Perhaps a behind the scenes crisis, and the chap on duty was exhausted after a double shift, with no prospect of help.  Or was it typical?  I shall never know!

              Dave

               

              #811613
              jim1956
              Participant
                @jim1956

                Probably totally wrong, I’ve no specialist knowledge.

                However it seems to be measuring very small deviations (dial is in mm) of something (with appropriate calibration required).

                A search online turned up a page
                https://dolphmicrowave.com/default/why-use-flexible-waveguides-in-radar-systems/
                which mentions physical distortions in radar (RAD) systems cause by electro-magnetic pulse radiation(PULSE) from nuclear weapons.

                Against that it doesn’t look like electronics, the heavy construction and the Rolls-Royce symbol (on the box of an identical tool currently on ebay) are suggestive of measuring changes inside an engine.

                #811617
                Bazyle
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                  @bazyle

                  It looks like the Baty dial indicator is measuring the position of the probe on the far right which probably moves relative to the body. I suspect it is measuring the position of a replaceable service item, eg magnetron, within a waveguide cavity. The services have a habit of partially naming things backwards so it is  “probe kit for pulse radar”.

                  #811623
                  jim1956
                  Participant
                    @jim1956

                    The Label on the ebay box for a similar unit suggests that it’s engine rather than radar.
                    Turbo-union was a consortium which made the RB199 engine for the Tornado aircraft.

                    box

                    A search on RB199 pulse probe turned up this on ebay.

                    rb199 pulse probe

                     

                    Described as a Tornado RB199 LP Pulse Probe.

                    Looks similar in shape and length, maybe the kit was to aid in fitting this to the appropriate clearances in the engine.

                     

                     

                     

                    #811649
                    Paul Kemp
                    Participant
                      @paulkemp46892

                      Maybe read RAD(IAL) pulse rather than RAD(AR) pulse makes more sense as 2 of the entities on the second box (mtu & fiat) are mainly into engines.  (I am thinking speed pick up) as they need setting to reasonable limits on the clearance.  Through the murky world of acquisitions RR and mtu are closely linked although I didn’t find any evidence fiat were corporately linked with them?

                      Paul.

                      #811663
                      Michael Gilligan
                      Participant
                        @michaelgilligan61133

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                        So many references … So many dead-ends

                        MichaelG.

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                        #811708
                        peak4
                        Participant
                          @peak4
                          On Michael Gilligan Said:

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                          So many references … So many dead-ends

                          MichaelG.

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                          A few cut/paste comments from my friends various replies to our off forum chat, who used to work on these engines something over 20 years ago.

                          NL is a name used for the first stage compressor on a RB199  (From Michael’s eBay photo)

                          Now I know what I’m probably looking for I’d say it is RB199.
                          Zooming into the top left of the photo in the box I recognise the adapter-that’s used to do up the outer nut of the engine casing.
                          IIRC the one at the top right does the probe its self into the inner casing just after the LP compressor.
                          Other bit is obviously torque wrench

                          Zoom in on the probe on eBay photo. You can see the fine thread about halfway up that’s what screws into the inner casing. The castle nut at the right hand end in the photo goes into the outer casing.

                          Mystery seems to be solved, kit appears to be;
                          RB199 LP compressor pulse probe fitting tool for a Tornado engine.

                          The 15 in the NATO code which came up in my earlier link shows Italian, as is Turbo Union.

                          Bill

                          #811738
                          JA
                          Participant
                            @ja

                            I have followed this with interest having recognised some of the part number.

                            O1T was reserved for the RB199. Given the date it was probably first used on the Mk103. NL refers to the low pressure compressor speed. The pulse probe measured it as a phonic wheel, detecting capacitance between it and teeth on a gear wheel in the low pressure gear box. This is not rocket science, my Myford lathe uses such a system to measure speed. The low pressure compressor parts were made by FIAT. The item in the box is the probe holder. The probe would be in another wooden box with a different number. This would have only been used during engine test on a bed, not in flight.

                            I don’t think I have broken the Act.

                            JA

                            #811745
                            JA
                            Participant
                              @ja

                              The pulse probe being sold by eBay is probably the matching part. It is being sold for Rays-Tek Surplus Ltd which has an interesting web site.

                              JA

                              #811746
                              Martin King 2
                              Participant
                                @martinking2

                                Wow! Thanks so much to all contributors on this topic!

                                I was amazed to find similar items on eBay, although with zero explanation as to use.

                                Thanks again, Martin

                                #811802
                                Martin Connelly
                                Participant
                                  @martinconnelly55370

                                  I designed a simple tool for someone who had to set up speed probes for Siemens Turbines. The probe tip had to be set to a specific range from the mounting face. The tool consisted of a setting piece/pieces for different ranges (four of them when I did this) and a sleeve that went over the probe and the tip of a dial indicator was clamped in the end. In use the person setting the probes had to put on some Loctite type liquid and then screw the probe tip in and out to set it within a certain time from first screwing it in. This was a quick way to screw it in approximately correct then check the setting and adjust the tip. Knowing the error and the pitch of the thread assembling, correcting and rechecking was quick and so it was easy to do it within the required time. This looks to have the same general purpose of checking the probe tip location relative to some feature on the turbine.

                                  Speed probe setting

                                  Martin C

                                  #811810
                                  Robert Atkinson 2
                                  Participant
                                    @robertatkinson2

                                    I agree, clearly a device for setting the clearance for a probe in a RB199 Tornado engine. The probes are typically magnetic sensing rather than capacitance. They can sense any variation in magnetic field caused by a moving metallic part. This could be blade tips but is more likely to be a gear or coupling.

                                    #811819
                                    Nicholas Farr
                                    Participant
                                      @nicholasfarr14254

                                      Hi, during the time I was working in the Marham workshop, one of the personnel was checking an order that had just arrived in a flight case, which were protected by that black foam type material, when I asked what the funny looking shaped pieces were, I sure he said they were solid Titanium compressor blades, but whatever they were, he said they were extremely expensive.

                                      Regards Nick.

                                      #811825
                                      Nicholas Farr
                                      Participant
                                        @nicholasfarr14254
                                        On SillyOldDuffer Said:
                                        On Nicholas Farr Said:

                                        … Bit of a faff signing in and out of the camp though.

                                        Regards Nick.

                                        Many strange experiences visiting MoD sites, forgivable because they had to be serious about security due to active terrorism and intrusive Foreign Intelligence Services!

                                        My favourite occurred at Devonport Dockyard, where at 8am a packed waiting room and queue out the door was being processed by a portly and aged policeman.   He was unbelievably slow, apparently half asleep.  No one complained, perhaps because he was armed with a pistol.

                                        After about 40 minutes, there was an audible sigh of relief when a sergeant appeared.  Until he said, in a strong Plymouth accent, ‘ere je-arge, would you like a cuppa tea?’   On the affirmative, he disappeared.  No tea turned up in the 30 minutes it took me to get my pass!   Perhaps a behind the scenes crisis, and the chap on duty was exhausted after a double shift, with no prospect of help.  Or was it typical?  I shall never know!

                                        Dave

                                         

                                        Hi Dave, yes I understood that security was a critical factor, and we had to understand certain codes and what action was needed if any, one of the codes I still remember was UFO, no , that didn’t mean unidentified flying objects, it meant unidentified foreign objects, that’s to say things that really looked out of place, which might be a threat of some kind. Luckily we didn’t see anything of the sort.

                                        Regards Nick.

                                        #811852
                                        howardb
                                        Participant
                                          @howardb
                                          On Robert Atkinson 2 Said:

                                          I agree, clearly a device for setting the clearance for a probe in a RB199 Tornado engine. The probes are typically magnetic sensing rather than capacitance. They can sense any variation in magnetic field caused by a moving metallic part. This could be blade tips but is more likely to be a gear or coupling.

                                          Used as signal generators for engine tacho’s on diesels, inductive senders, just a coil around a magnet, a bit like a pickup on an electric guitar.

                                           

                                           

                                           

                                           

                                          #811889
                                          Robert Atkinson 2
                                          Participant
                                            @robertatkinson2

                                            MOD site security is intersting.
                                            I don’t think I’m giving anything away by relating this 28 year old story. I was part of the team that designed, built and ran Thrust SSC the fastest car in the world, first and only to go supersonic.
                                            Apart from the space frame and some panels the car was built at Farnborough. This was actually on the airfield secure site.  Like many sites, even commercial ones, there were random searches when you left the site. I was stopped one day and the asked to look in the boot of the car. I wan’t worried until I looked and relaised thet it contained:
                                            Six explosive squibs (used to activate the brake parchutes).
                                            A dynamo exploder unit.
                                            A couple of lead acid batteries.
                                            A couple of reels of cable.
                                            A box containg some gyroscope spares including mercury tilt switches.
                                            A can of Fuel
                                            The only thing missing was a bag of fertiliser!
                                            And a HF radio from a Phantom aircraft at Boscome Down.

                                            The guy asked “is that all your own stuff?” I said yes and he waved me on…

                                            Too keep it on topic, Thrust SSC used the same type of magnetic probe (variable reluctance probe) to measure the wheel speed. The brakes were carbon fibre disks that floated on a steel hub. Torque was transferred via dogs that engaged slots in the cargon disk. The reluctance probe detected the passing dogs. Counterintuitively the cockpit Machmeter was driven by this signal via the onboard computer. The “speedometer” on the other hand was a pitot-static (pneumatic) instrument. In fact the speedometer was a Machmeter that I had concerted into a high range airspeed indicator.
                                            The wheel speed signal was also integrated and used to drive a “distance to run”countdown display in the cockpit. Andy (the driver) could preset this at the start of the run. While the display was digital (a voltmeter module) all the processing was analog. The display (reading 11.0) below the speedometer  can be seen in the attached image. The preset control is on the far right below the clock.

                                            Robert.
                                            TSSC-Cpit

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