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  • #346969
    not done it yet
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      @notdoneityet

      I may be feeling smug that twitface does not have info on me, but how do members feel about their social media with the revelation that particular groups are ‘vulnerable’ and have been targetted in this way?

      Accept it happens and carry on, stop using it, be far more careful when using it, or delete your membership?

      Even supermarkets target their loyalty card users (they would not be doing it unless there are benefits to themselves).

      What next? Children targeted by preying individuals, on the basis of how gullible/impressionable they might be? OAPs (or anyone else, for that matter,) that are likely to be easily scammed?

      Several steps too far, methinks, and I have no intention of signing up to anything that offers incentives, with the ultimate aim of not only making money (by selling anonymous data) but actually selling your personal details to all and sundry.

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      #35144
      not done it yet
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        @notdoneityet

        Cambridge Analytica clearly abused info, but how much more goes on?

        #346973
        Brian G
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          @briang

          I was surprised to read that marketing is based on my Facebook profile, I am pretty sure I didn't say "fat, bald and impotent" but I get plenty of e-mails offering to cure one or more of these.

          Brian

          #346977
          Barnaby Wilde
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            @barnabywilde70941

            It extends much, MUCH further than is currently being talked about in the mainstream media (MSM).

            Put your tin hats on . . . but 'Echelon' has existed for nearly 50yrs now, & most folk are still flummoxed about it.

            An old buddy of mine is quite senior in a popular credit reference agency. You can request a copy of the info they hold on you & you may well think that is all the info they hold on you. What you are given is the info that they are legally obliged to give you . . . which is but a fraction of all of the info they have on you.

            #346978
            Bazyle
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              @bazyle

              It's not just them, look at all the things like yahoo groups and gmail wanting to have your mobile phone number 'for your security' or the excuse of sending a verification code. All so they can have your phone number giving your location then that links them to all your smartphone activity to cross link to your computer activity.

              #346983
              Frances IoM
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                @francesiom58905

                even this page quietly accesses facebook – thus (a) FB knows you have an interest in ME, (b) quite likely your unique ID that mytimemedia has so can allow login is passed on as well – as FB is probably one of the ‘trusted partners’ you probably agreed to allow mytimemedia to share info with, thus FB will have your address (if not from mytimemedia then probably from one of the hundreds of other companies that use the ‘trusted partners’ approval) – your address is easily linked via local authority records etc etc, let alone all those ‘friends’ who conveniently passed your info onto FB.
                Things may change slightly from May as the new EU directive requires your approval for the uses that info about you will be used for – of course if the company is a monopoly supplier of the product you want then you will have to agree to any such request and as seen in the current fuss then FB being an American company can probably circumvent as EU directive.

                Edited By Frances IoM on 21/03/2018 19:15:20

                #346987
                Mike Poole
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                  @mikepoole82104

                  I have my suspicions that Siri is listening in as a few times I have discussed something verbally with my wife and then even though I have not mentioned the subject on the Internet a relevant advert appears on my pc soon after the discussion, it has happened more than once which pushes the limits of coincidence.

                  Mike

                  #346990
                  jimmy b
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                    @jimmyb

                    I don't worry about any more.

                    I deleted my Facebook etc years ago.

                    Bigger things to worry about!

                    Jim

                    #346991
                    Ady1
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                      @ady1

                      I'm too boring to be worried about them, I don't even visit porno sites anymore

                      #346993
                      pgk pgk
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                        @pgkpgk17461

                        Mny years ago one of my staff got conned over our data protection fee renewal (which was due imminently) by gettign a letter regarding that from a third party that charged afee for doing so. The next day we got the genuine reminder. That experience made me realise how poor our government's own data protection and security is.

                        Folk are constantly being conned and targetted and social media is just another avenue of the same. You car's registration is recorded all over the place as well as service stations and I'm sure those records are not secure either – gives patterns to your behaviour as does carrying a mobile phone and your ISP knows exactly what you browse and you can bet they're monetising that info too.

                        VPNs may help but still someone knows. I do go as far as cover the mike and camera on 'puters that have them and since i live in a dead spot I only use my mobile when going any distance away..and only turn it on if I have to nevertheless there's dozens of companies that have my address (to send stuff) and dozens of gov depts that have my home phone number and other details they could cross reference with email addresses. You can't avoid it.

                        #347015
                        Farmboy
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                          @farmboy
                          Posted by Brian G on 21/03/2018 18:11:32:

                          I was surprised to read that marketing is based on my Facebook profile, I am pretty sure I didn't say "fat, bald and impotent" but I get plenty of e-mails offering to cure one or more of these.

                          Brian

                          It's more sophisticated than that, they take account of things your friends say too devil

                          Not sure what they've been saying about me, but there are a couple of very nice Russian ladies who are anxious to meet me thinking

                          #347022
                          Mick Henshall
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                            @mickhenshall99321

                            You too ?

                            Mick

                            #347033
                            blowlamp
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                              @blowlamp
                              Posted by Farmboy on 21/03/2018 22:19:11:

                              Posted by Brian G on 21/03/2018 18:11:32:

                              I was surprised to read that marketing is based on my Facebook profile, I am pretty sure I didn't say "fat, bald and impotent" but I get plenty of e-mails offering to cure one or more of these.

                              Brian

                              It's more sophisticated than that, they take account of things your friends say too devil

                              Not sure what they've been saying about me, but there are a couple of very nice Russian ladies who are anxious to meet me thinking

                              That'll be why my inbox is full of messages from Bangkok chick-boys

                              #347034
                              Mark Rand
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                                @markrand96270

                                Given the air fares from Russia to the UK, it's only fair that the ladies should be able to visit all of their friends on the one trip.

                                #347039
                                thaiguzzi
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                                  @thaiguzzi

                                  What's Facebook?

                                  #347046
                                  vintagengineer
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                                    @vintagengineer

                                    Read George Orwell's 1984 and you realise how far ahead of times he really was! The olny way to stop people spying on you is to drop off the radar.

                                    No phones, no internet, live off grid and put any bills in someone elses name. Takes about 5 years and then you disappear off the system.

                                    Edited By vintagengineer on 22/03/2018 08:55:15

                                    #347048
                                    Farmboy
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                                      @farmboy
                                      Posted by vintagengineer on 22/03/2018 08:53:07:

                                      Read George Orwell's 1984 and you realise how far ahead of times he really was! The olny way to stop people spying on you is to drop off the radar.

                                      No phones, no internet, live off grid and put any bills in someone elses name. Takes about 5 years and then you disappear off the system.

                                      Edited By vintagengineer on 22/03/2018 08:55:15

                                      According to an 'expert' on a radio programme I heard, dropping off the radar is one sure way to draw attention to yourself these days . . . different if you've never been on it of course.

                                      Of course you'd also need to avoid going anywhere in range of a CCTV camera . . . or a spy satellite dont know

                                      #347053
                                      Samsaranda
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                                        @samsaranda

                                        Mike, I am also sure that SIRI is listening in the same has happened to me, I am also sure that ALEXA is in your home environment with the prime purpose of listening in to our home conversations, or am I just paranoid.

                                        Dave W

                                        #347054
                                        Mike
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                                          @mike89748

                                          You don't have to be on Facebook to attract "Fat, bald and impotent" advertising. I'm not on Facebook, yet I get those, plus advertising for high-interest loans, ambulance-chasing lawyers, dodgy-sounding insurance schemes and on-line gambling. Perhaps the only answer is to do what I had to do in the late 1960s, and mark a deluge of mail from Time-Life magazines with "return to sender – deceased." Or do the spam merchants follow you beyond the grave?

                                          #347057
                                          V8Eng
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                                            @v8eng

                                            You cannot escape from the Tax Man’s radar, apparently even death does not achieve that! sad

                                            #347066
                                            Mike
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                                              @mike89748

                                              ………..nor the TV licencing authority. They automatically assume every house has a TV, so investigate any home that does not have a licence.

                                              #347068
                                              SillyOldDuffer
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                                                @sillyoldduffer
                                                Posted by Mike on 22/03/2018 09:41:24:

                                                Perhaps the only answer is to do what I had to do in the late 1960s, and mark a deluge of mail from Time-Life magazines with "return to sender – deceased." Or do the spam merchants follow you beyond the grave?

                                                I'm afraid they do. It's not just spam that's the problem. For example, the law isn't clear about who owns personal information on the web after you've died. For example, if you publish photographs or other information about a grand-child who later becomes a celebrity, it may be impossible for them to fix your intrusion into their privacy.

                                                Another good reason for not telling a computer system that you're dead is that they share that information too. Expect embarrassment when you try to do anything that that requires you to be alive when everybody knows you've passed.

                                                Without boring everyone to tears, 'big data' is becoming a big problem. The intrusion appears to be unstoppable. My advice is to minimise the amount of personal data you share, for example by installing Privacy Badger or similar and not creating accounts willy-nilly or typing in unnecessary details. Always look for and tick the 'do not share' boxes. Read the Terms and Conditions. Would you stand in a crowded supermarket loudly discussing what a big pension you've got and your massive collection of gold coins before giving your name and address to those young men with interesting tattoos?

                                                Don't be naive. When online it pays to assess the risks:

                                                • Who is it wants to know?
                                                • Why do they need the information?
                                                • What will they use the data for?
                                                • How will they protect my data?
                                                • Where do they store the data?
                                                • Are they going to share my data with someone else, either deliberately or by accident?
                                                • Is there any redress in the event that the data is misused?

                                                Dave

                                                #347069
                                                not done it yet
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                                                  @notdoneityet
                                                  Posted by Mike on 22/03/2018 10:48:59:

                                                  ………..nor the TV licencing authority. They automatically assume every house has a TV, so investigate any home that does not have a licence.

                                                  They can investigate my house as much as they like. Just wasting more taxpayer money. We must be due for another letter, but I simply ignore them these days. Only a bit over 5 years and we might get a license, I suppose. But it will still be what I consider as a waste of time if the TV is on more than a minimum.

                                                  On email addys, my wife makes lace and follows all sorts of other crafts, too. She once had lace and bits as her email addy. Some of the emails she received were interesting, to say the least. Forced her to change it eventually, I think.

                                                  I have only recently started to leave my mobile phone switched on, as my wife may need to contact me more often, but for the last 12 years the mobile was switched off whenever not needed.

                                                  Car can be driven by others and I use proper money to pay my way, so actually proving my travelling itineries would be harder than for most. Only when visiting my brother could it be fairly well assumed it was me driving/passengering, without reasonable doubt.

                                                  Have to start talking about explosives, robbing banks and other contentious issues, etc while siri is switched on. See if we get attention from the security services, plod, social sevices, etc.

                                                  #347070
                                                  Jon Gibbs
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                                                    @jongibbs59756

                                                    Facebook is not scary for me because I put none of my life onto their platform but I feel I have a Faustian-like pact with google.

                                                    As a gmail and Android user it's clear to me that they trawl through all of my email, see what things I buy, when the deliveries will be made, what flights, hotels and travel I book, what appointments I put in my calendar etc etc etc. It's pretty helpful but at the same time concerning. It's fine if they are confining themselves to the useful things for me but if they're also looking at the opinions I write in my emails and who I receive emails from and their opinions who knows where this could go next.

                                                    AC Grayling may not have been the first to look into the work of CA and question their methods but from November 2017 this Youtube video makes interesting watching… **LINK**

                                                    Jon

                                                    #347081
                                                    not done it yet
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                                                      @notdoneityet

                                                      The more I see about this is that zuckerberg either greedily sells on personal data and profiles or was a trump supporter – and supplied CA with data for the very purpose of promoting the trump campaign.

                                                      CA specifically targetted known facebook members with the information supplied.

                                                      Question now is whether you are being targetted by them, or some other mob, that has purchased your complete details (not anonymous group data) . As I see it (and I may be wrong) CA needed all the personal member details, of those 50 million people, to effectively group them into targetable units.

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