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    Paul Lousick
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      @paullousick59116

      A friend has asked me about the best way to prevent rust on tools. He collects and restores old woodwork tools, chisels, hand planes, etc. It has been suggested to use WD40 but I believe that this is not the best solution. My thoughts were to use a light oil.

      What is reccommended ?

      Paul.

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      #25079
      Paul Lousick
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        @paullousick59116
        #284084
        Allan B
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          @allanb

          A light oil works, but you can also get specialist machine waxes from places like Axminster (no connection just a happy customer) that create a slightly thicker and not as greasy finish.

          Allan

          #284087
          Robbo
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            @robbo

            Camellia Oil

            #284088
            Roderick Jenkins
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              @roderickjenkins93242

              Camelia oil is the trendy choice. ARC do this stuff **LINK** Which seems like a good idea. I have got some but haven't actually used it yet – fortunately rust isn't a big issue for me these days.

              HTH,

              Rod

              #284091
              Paul Lousick
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                @paullousick59116

                Thanks for the feedback.

                What is Camelia oil made from ? I live in Australia and shipment from ARC would be too expensivs. Would like to fine a similar product from a local supplier.

                Paul.

                #284092
                Jon Gibbs
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                  @jongibbs59756

                  Camelia oil is the traditional Japanese treatment against rust for woodworkers.

                  So the origin is much closer to your neck of the woods than here

                  Jon

                  #284094
                  Matt C
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                    @mattc

                    Jon, it’s the oil from the Camellia plant. Try http://www.japanesetools.com.au They have it for 13 dollars. Or google some of the other products on websites mentioned above.

                    #284115
                    Martin King 2
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                      @martinking2

                      Liberon Machine Wax for larger items, BRIWAX clear wax for most tools, left on not buffed if for storage or lightly buffed for soft sheen. For more agricultural stuff, (hammers, axes, drawknives etc) we phosphate with KURUST after degreasing, wipe off quickly then wax when dry. Gives a nice satin blue black finish which is very durable.

                      Camellia oil for planes and tools in constant use particularly soles of planes.

                      We constantly get nice remarks from our customers on how nice the tools look when they get them.

                      Do NOT store in leather rolls, worst possible stuff for rust.

                      Inside storage cabinets, drawers etc the best stuff is the small stick on Vapour Phase inhibitor packs from Shield Technology but VERY expensive ( I think it is dearer than plutonium by the kilo!). Our way round this which works very well is to use sardine paste bottles with holes in the lids and fill with old fashioned moth balls.

                      Our garage workshop is very prone to rust having an open up and over door and we take a lot of care with rust proofing when our stuff is cleaned as nothing is more demoralisingthan having to do it agaain!

                      Cheers, Martin

                      #284131
                      Spurry
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                        @spurry

                        If you leave WD40 long enough, it stains the metal it is supposed to protect. I've got some of this ACF-50 stuff which seems to work well….(so far)

                        **LINK**

                        Pete

                        #284134
                        Danny M2Z
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                          @dannym2z

                          Hi Paul. This stuff is pretty good **LINK** , it's made in Oz and inexpensive/readily available. Ever seen a rusty sheep?

                          Worth a try.

                          * Danny M *

                          #284140
                          Paul Lousick
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                            @paullousick59116

                            Thanks to everyone.

                            No, Danny have not seen a rusty sheep but have seen a few rusty hydraulic rams.

                            Paul.

                            #284141
                            Martin 100
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                              @martin100

                              Another upvote for ACF-50

                              #284303
                              Allan B
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                                @allanb

                                ACF-50 seems to work well protecting motorcycles through the mountain of salt that Cheshire puts on the roads each year, so should work on tools in a workshop 😀

                                #284307
                                Richard S2
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                                  @richards2

                                  It is not clear if the tools are displayed or stored and used, but I have found the Teflon based Dry Lube spray on all bright ferrous finishes to be extremely resilient (plenty of brands worldwide).

                                  Some of my Chisels are getting on for 70 years old and I can still see my reflection (not a pretty sight) in them when cleaned for use.

                                  The stuff is usually marketed to be applied to bicycle chains which repels dirt and water. It leaves a thin waxy coating which can be easily wiped off of tooling etc.

                                  #284319
                                  Roger Head
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                                    @rogerhead16992
                                    Posted by Martin King 2 on 14/02/2017 09:28:37:Our way round this which works very well is to use sardine paste bottles with holes in the lids and fill with old fashioned moth balls.
                                    Cheers, Martin

                                    Martin, what is the thinking behind mothballs and rust prevention?

                                    Roger

                                    #284329
                                    Geoff Theasby
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                                      @geofftheasby
                                      #284332
                                      Paul Lousick
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                                        @paullousick59116

                                        Richard,

                                        The tools belong to a friend of a friend of mine who has a collection of old wood planes (have been told more than 100, so a big collection) they are stored only and not used. Will try and see his collection and take a few photos.

                                        Paul.

                                        #284333
                                        Brian H
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                                          @brianh50089

                                          There is a TV program called 'American Restoration' recommended cooking oil thinly applied. Still not sure about that and it's difficult to test as I don't have a rust problem.

                                          #284352
                                          Neil Wyatt
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                                            @neilwyatt

                                            Camellia oils tea tree oil with the tree taken out

                                            Apparently it's from Camellia japonica, not Camellia sinensis (tea plant)

                                             en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_seed_oil

                                            The problem with any vegetable-based oil is that it will thicken and go sticky over time.

                                            Neil

                                             

                                             

                                            Edited By Neil Wyatt on 15/02/2017 09:10:36

                                            Edited By Neil Wyatt on 15/02/2017 09:11:51

                                            #284399
                                            Geoff Theasby
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                                              @geofftheasby

                                              Yes, 'drying oils'.

                                              Geoff

                                              #284571
                                              Ian S C
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                                                @iansc

                                                If they are not being used, a spray over with hair spray will seal them from moisture/rust. Ian S C

                                                #284581
                                                Michael Cox 1
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                                                  @michaelcox1

                                                  Some vegetable oils such as coconut oil are nearly 100% saturated and they do not go sticky or thicken in air even after prolonged exposure. Coconut oil in the UK is a solid at normal temperature but liquid where it is produced, in the tropics, hence it is still called an oil.

                                                  I have tried it as a cutting fluid on the lathe and for tapping and it seems to work well.

                                                  I note that our Oz friends have already mentioned wool fat (aka lanolin). There was a long discussion while back on the Madmodder website about lanolin and the concensus was that it was a very effective rust inhibitor.

                                                  Mike

                                                  #284593
                                                  Vic
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                                                    @vic

                                                    Camellia oil doesn't go sticky either, at least in my experience using it on measuring tools. A more heavy duty solution is Lanolin but this is quite sticky stuff. As for WD40, I sprayed the table on my old milling machine many years ago to stop it going rusty. A week later I went out into the workshop and it was covered in rust! Not something I will ever repeat. WD40 has its uses but stopping rust doesn't appear to be one of them!

                                                    #284596
                                                    Gordon W
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                                                      @gordonw

                                                      I would like to understand why some people have had bad experiences with WD40. I've been using it for many years with good results. The only thing it is not good at is as a release agent, but better than nothing. When the roof blew off my w/shop a couple of winters ago just about the first thing I got was a gallon of WD40, sprayed everything in sight. After a c lean up sprayed inside the drawers and cupboards where measuring instruments etc. kept. Now very little trouble, some staining, some rust here and there but easily wiped off. Lanolin is good, I buy it for cracked skin and found by chance it is a good rust protector. Difficult to find as pure grease, because of the anthrax. Got mine as "heat treated" from the land of the sheep Australia. Any thin oil will work for stuff in use.

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