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  • #283040
    sean logie
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      @seanlogie69385

      I’m toying withe making a new 5/8 od crosslide feed screw . Is this possible to do by just holding in chuck and live centre on the tailstock without any other kind of support .I’m worried about the part having push off. ..ie..steady rest . The feedscrew is about 12″ . I’m only planning the thead part of the FS and then joining the none thread part to the new FS if that makes sense at all .

      Sean

      #25066
      sean logie
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        @seanlogie69385
        #283042
        Chris Evans 6
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          @chrisevans6

          Unless you really want to make it as an exercise consider buying a length from a lead screw supplier. I bought a 1 metre length cheaply and had enough for two cross slide screws and enough left over for a third. If you or anyone else requires 16mm x 4mm pitch left hand the spare piece is going for free. Postage would be low at under a fiver.

          As for the original question you may get away without a follow rest if steel is free cutting and tool sharp enough.

          #283043
          Tony Pratt 1
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            @tonypratt1

            Sean,

            To be honest you would need a travelling steady to prevent push off or I believe it has been mentioned before that blank feed screws[5/8" Acme?] can be purchased.

            Tony

            #283051
            mark smith 20
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              @marksmith20

              It isnt cheap though which is probably the reason Sean wants to make it. For a short length you could probably get away without a steady rest if you go easy and take small cuts. . I did it easily for my Southbend by just making the new threaded section and fixing it to the old part after cutting the old thread off.

              #283066
              sean logie
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                @seanlogie69385

                Chris I’d like to take you up on the offer of your surplus threaded bar if it’ll fit my needs ,can’t remember off hand what tpi mine is but I’ll let you know tonight .
                I’d still like to make my own LS if Chris’s one is the same as mine I’ll have a backup . I’m gaining confidence every time I cut a thread . I finally finished my new backing plate on Sunday gor my 4 jaw ,the 1 3/4 ” 7tpi was perfect as was the register .

                Sean

                #283068
                Bazyle
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                  @bazyle

                  If you have a t-slotted cross slide you can make a travelling steady from a stout block of wood and brass bolts of a notched brass plate to act as the bearings. The thing about a steady is it doesn't have to be a precision item as it is all in the setting.

                  This is a sort of notched plate version though I was thinking of the B & S model A version which is a bit simpler but I can't find a picture on google at the moment. The adjust ting screws can then be steel.

                  If it is mostly the nut that is worn you might be better off making do with a new nut only until you have more experience with the lathe.

                  #283077
                  mark smith 20
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                    @marksmith20

                    16 x 4 is metric trapezoidal thread isnt it??

                    #283079
                    Martin 100
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                      @martin100
                      Posted by mark smith 20 on 08/02/2017 14:10:09:

                      16 x 4 is metric trapezoidal thread isnt it??

                      It could be, I don't think metric acme exists

                      #283094
                      John Stevenson 1
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                        @johnstevenson1

                        Correct Acme is imperial at 29 degrees thread angle and Trapezoidal is metric at 30 degrees thread angle.

                        #283325
                        richardandtracy
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                          @richardandtracy

                          Possibly looking as expensive as £20 for 400mm with a flange nut from China. If you search, can probably get a ballscrew & nut for no more than £30. I'm a tight-wad, but it seems not worth machining yourself at these prices.

                          Regards,

                          Richard.

                          #283328
                          JasonB
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                            @jasonb

                            The other problem with going for a 16x4T screw would be you then need a new handwheel dial callibrated in metric.

                            Don't ball screws have a tendancy to creap unless held stationary by say a stepper motor?

                            #283329
                            mark smith 20
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                              @marksmith20
                              Posted by richardandtracy on 09/02/2017 15:37:17:

                              Possibly looking as expensive as £20 for 400mm with a flange nut from China. If you search, can probably get a ballscrew & nut for no more than £30. I'm a tight-wad, but it seems not worth machining yourself at these prices.

                              Regards,

                              Richard.

                               

                              Can you point to 5/8" imperial left hand  acme screws in China. Ive looked and all i see are trapezoidal metric screw being called wrongly acme????

                              Edited By mark smith 20 on 09/02/2017 15:56:37

                              #283331
                              JasonB
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                                @jasonb

                                More likely to get imperial stuff via the States

                                5/8 x 10 Left hand at just under $10/ft, have not looked at postage or min qty

                                #283332
                                mark smith 20
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                                  @marksmith20

                                  Yes its dirt cheap in the US if you can get cheap shipping.

                                  Or you can buy in Uk like here  10" length at 86 quid plus vat and shipping for right hand ,couldnt see an option for left hand so thats likely even more. Absolute rip off!

                                  https://www.accu.co.uk/en/533-acme-lead-screws

                                  Edited By mark smith 20 on 09/02/2017 16:08:09

                                  Edited By mark smith 20 on 09/02/2017 16:08:39

                                  #283334
                                  richardandtracy
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                                    @richardandtracy

                                    Metric. I see metric.

                                    Can't get me head round this imperial stuff. I have spent my entire working life in engineering (30 years so far). Only time I ever got to do imperial was playing with aeroplanes for 5 years. I shall shut up further on this, as my views on people persisting with imperial will cause this thread to degenerate.

                                    Regards

                                    Richard

                                    #283339
                                    JasonB
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                                      @jasonb
                                      Posted by mark smith 20 on 09/02/2017 16:04:19:

                                      Yes its dirt cheap in the US if you can get cheap shipping.

                                      Often worth e-mailing the company rather than being put off buy the automatically generated shipping costs.

                                      In the past I have got items shipped from the states in less than a week for $15-20 when the websites have generated cost of ten times that or more.

                                      J

                                      #283583
                                      Hopper
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                                        @hopper
                                        Posted by JasonB on 09/02/2017 16:26:46:

                                        Posted by mark smith 20 on 09/02/2017 16:04:19:

                                        Yes its dirt cheap in the US if you can get cheap shipping.

                                        Often worth e-mailing the company rather than being put off buy the automatically generated shipping costs.

                                        In the past I have got items shipped from the states in less than a week for $15-20 when the websites have generated cost of ten times that or more.

                                        J

                                        +1 on this. I do it all the time. Ebay's automatically generated international shipping costs are way higher than reality in most cases. Almost all sellers will give you a real figure if you contact them.

                                        #284098
                                        sean logie
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                                          @seanlogie69385
                                          Posted by richardandtracy on 09/02/2017 15:37:17:

                                          Possibly looking as expensive as £20 for 400mm with a flange nut from China. If you search, can probably get a ballscrew & nut for no more than £30. I'm a tight-wad, but it seems not worth machining yourself at these prices.

                                          Regards,

                                          Richard.

                                          Why do you say It's not worth it? …The whole point of me buying this lathe is to use and gain experience .Yeh i could go and buy ,but why when i have the machine to do ,the material which didn't cost me a penny . If it doesn't work out I'll keep trying I've plenty of time and material ….. Oh …. and I'm a Scot thats another reason wink

                                          #284100
                                          sean logie
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                                            @seanlogie69385
                                            Posted by richardandtracy on 09/02/2017 16:14:02:

                                            Metric. I see metric.

                                            Can't get me head round this imperial stuff. I have spent my entire working life in engineering (30 years so far). Only time I ever got to do imperial was playing with aeroplanes for 5 years. I shall shut up further on this, as my views on people persisting with imperial will cause this thread to degenerate.

                                            Regards

                                            Richard

                                            My machine IS imperial ….

                                            Sean

                                            #284112
                                            Tony Pratt 1
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                                              @tonypratt1

                                              Sean,

                                              Bottom line is you can make a new cross slide feed screw, you will also need to use a travelling steady & finally the cross slide nut will need to be available for fit checking.

                                              Not straight forward but doable, depends how much your time is worth?

                                              Tony

                                              #284119
                                              sean logie
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                                                @seanlogie69385

                                                Was planning using the Colchester at work not sure yet though .

                                                Sean

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