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  • #19125
    John McNamara
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      @johnmcnamara74883

      An unusual lathe tool

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      #378910
      John McNamara
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        @johnmcnamara74883

        Hi All

        I stumbled on this post on You Tube **LINK**

        Cam at battler is an Australian you tuber that does some pretty impressive work, in this case a slotter. It would make a great series for MEW

        **LINK**

        An interesting shop built lathe tool, easy to make too.

        Regards
        john

        tool.jpg

        #378914
        Rod Ashton
        Participant
          @rodashton53132

          Would be interesting to know exactly how the double diamond fits onto the carrier bar. Screwed or spigoted or both?

          #378931
          Anthony Kendall
          Participant
            @anthonykendall53479

            Apologies, but couldn't resist it. I'll get my coat!

            #378961
            peak4
            Participant
              @peak4

              And here's the link on his channel for the universal tool;

              Bill
              #378967
              Rod Ashton
              Participant
                @rodashton53132

                Off to draw that up. Thanks

                #378980
                Neil Wyatt
                Moderator
                  @neilwyatt
                  Posted by Rod Ashton on 03/11/2018 06:32:58:

                  Would be interesting to know exactly how the double diamond fits onto the carrier bar. Screwed or spigoted or both?

                  Looks like a smaller conventional diamond shaped insert at each end held with a screw.

                  Can't see what it does at the back that you can't do with ordinary tools at the front.

                  I suppose Double Diamond works wonders…

                  #379002
                  Bazyle
                  Participant
                    @bazyle

                    If set up as he mentions with different tips it saves one quick change holder, It perhaps could be used as a way of doing quick changes itself. It would be a great way to interchange screwcutting tips without having to have a complete qctp holder for each one.

                    #379007
                    Clive Foster
                    Participant
                      @clivefoster55965

                      The commercial Impero tool-post system included similar double tool-tip devices albeit (apparently) more versatile in being capable of setting at different angles.

                      See **LINK** and **LINK**.

                      Doesn't look to be an inexpensive set-up but seems to have been on the market for at least a decade so there must have been sufficient practical virtue in the tooling set-ups for hard headed commercial shops to buy the sets. Especially as the system doesn't handle common square shank tooling and bits as well as more conventional QC systems. I imagine that, as usually with odd-ball equipment, you need to rethink the way you approach jobs to get the best out of the system.

                      Clive

                      #379013
                      Michael Gilligan
                      Participant
                        @michaelgilligan61133
                        Posted by Neil Wyatt on 03/11/2018 15:28:47:

                        Posted by Rod Ashton on 03/11/2018 06:32:58:

                        Would be interesting to know exactly how the double diamond fits onto the carrier bar. Screwed or spigoted or both?

                        Looks like a smaller conventional diamond shaped insert at each end held with a screw.

                        Can't see what it does at the back that you can't do with ordinary tools at the front.

                        .

                        It's worth watching the video that 'peak4' linked, Neil

                        MichaelG.

                        #379019
                        Vic
                        Participant
                          @vic

                          Interesting. No longer available because few were sold says it all really. I can see it would be useful if you only use a four way tool post – it could save you quite a lot in tool holders. Not quite so useful if you use a QCTP. I’ve actually got a double sided insert tool holder for left and right cutting but must admit I’ve never turned it over! 😊

                          #379030
                          John McNamara
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                            @johnmcnamara74883

                            Hi All

                            Another variation on the theme
                            Ball indexing added, a kind of Hirth coupling it will be very accurate.

                            **LINK**

                            https://www.google.com.au/search?q=hirth+coupling&rlz=1C1ASUT_enAU791AU791&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi7up7-5bneAhUFNo8KHSIKAnIQ_AUIDigB&biw=838&bih=501

                            Regards
                            John

                            Edited By John McNamara on 04/11/2018 03:30:15

                            #379033
                            BW
                            Participant
                              @bw

                              MEW November 2016 page 35

                              Fairly similar idea by a chap called Richard Smith documented over 2 issues. Have been wondering for a while now about having a go.

                              Bill

                              #379036
                              Cam McKeown
                              Participant
                                @cammckeown83231

                                G'Day all, my name is Cam, just joined but look in from time to time as a casual observer. I posted the YouTube video on the multi angle tool holder that I purchased a number or years ago. I had some comments that there was interest asking for some more infomation so if you have any questions ping back to me.

                                Cam

                                #379043
                                Michael Gilligan
                                Participant
                                  @michaelgilligan61133
                                  Posted by Cam McKeown on 04/11/2018 06:50:40:

                                  G'Day all, my name is Cam [ … ] if you have any questions ping back to me.

                                  .

                                  Welcome, Cam

                                  First question is about the post locking: There appears to be a flat-ended pushrod, locking a close-fitting post into its hole … so have you seen any probems with bruising of the post ?

                                  Some comments on choice of materials and tolerances would probably be useful.

                                  Thanks

                                  MichaelG.

                                  #379080
                                  Nick Hulme
                                  Participant
                                    @nickhulme30114

                                    How is a tool with Diamond Inserts a "Slotter" ?

                                    For anyone with a big lathe having a tool-holder mounted on a tool-holder is a (very) limited alternative to a rear tool post, but a rear tool post is a far more useful and capable option, especially with matching front & rear QCTPs.

                                    #379082
                                    Michael Gilligan
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                                      @michaelgilligan61133
                                      Posted by Nick Hulme on 04/11/2018 12:03:37:

                                      How is a tool with Diamond Inserts a "Slotter" ?

                                      .

                                      It isn't … The tool is featured part way through episode 21 of a series

                                      MichaelG.

                                      #379087
                                      Oldiron
                                      Participant
                                        @oldiron

                                        Hi Cam. Welcome to the forum. I follow your channel. Very interesting. See you on Emma's live show chat sometimes.

                                        regards

                                        #379097
                                        Cam McKeown
                                        Participant
                                          @cammckeown83231

                                          Hi Michael, the tool is probably a chrome moly at around 30 RC. It doesn't look like it has had any heat treatment other than the blueing as I can touch it with a file. The post is a nominal 12mm in diameter with a 0.03mm clearance on the hole. The pin is a precision ground dowel at 3/8" diameter and 2 1/4" long. As I mentioned in the Video I've given this tool an absolute hammering over the years and has not failed me once. I cannot see any visible deformation of the "post" from the dowel locking onto it.

                                          Hi Nick, no a diamond tool is certainly nothing like a slotter. I had a number of requests during the "Powered Lathe Slotter" build series to give a description of how it works and how it is put together. I included this description as part of episode 21. As I mentioned, it is extremely versatile and very quickly adapted to suit both left hand and right hand turning, facing, counter boring up to 5mm deep and even thread cutting, all without having to touch the tool post. I find that sometimes a build series like this can get a bit dry and even a bit boring at times, so its good to throw in some other content. I'll be putting a short session together on 3D modelling, coding and 3D machining shortly on a curved spoked flywheel for a small Stuart Turner engine Emma from Emma's Spare Room is building.

                                          #379131
                                          Michael Gilligan
                                          Participant
                                            @michaelgilligan61133
                                            Posted by Cam McKeown on 04/11/2018 13:01:47:

                                            Hi Michael, the tool is probably a chrome moly at around 30 RC. It doesn't look like it has had any heat treatment other than the blueing as I can touch it with a file. The post is a nominal 12mm in diameter with a 0.03mm clearance on the hole. The pin is a precision ground dowel at 3/8" diameter and 2 1/4" long. As I mentioned in the Video I've given this tool an absolute hammering over the years and has not failed me once. I cannot see any visible deformation of the "post" from the dowel locking onto it.

                                            .

                                            Thanks for the detail, Cam

                                            MichaelG.

                                            #379144
                                            GoCreate
                                            Participant
                                              @gocreate

                                              Here's another interesting variant by ROBRENZ a master at his art.

                                              Nigel

                                              #379200
                                              Cam McKeown
                                              Participant
                                                @cammckeown83231

                                                G'day Nigel, yep Robin is certainly a master of his art and does everything to the absolute degree. Amazing to watch his work, miles above anything I can do in my little show.

                                                Cam

                                                #379211
                                                ChrisH
                                                Participant
                                                  @chrish

                                                  Quite interested in this tool, might just draw one up and give it a go. Looks a simple-ish tool, nothing too tricky.  Thanks Cam, and I enjoyed your You-Tube stuff that I've watched so far.

                                                  Chris

                                                  Edited By ChrisH on 04/11/2018 22:23:23

                                                  #379216
                                                  John McNamara
                                                  Participant
                                                    @johnmcnamara74883

                                                    Hi

                                                    This is a slight digression from the Double Diamond tool however I did mention a Hirth Coupling. Below is a link to a calculator that gives the tool approach angle to umpteen decimal places and the height of the teeth for a given diameter and number of teeth.

                                                    A good video of making one with a fly cutter.
                                                    https://www.productionmachining.com/blog/post/video-making-a-hirth-coupling

                                                    I have not tried it yet but I think I will add this one to my list.

                                                    Regards
                                                    John

                                                     

                                                    (Alpha version as noted by the Author)
                                                    >**LINK**

                                                    Edited By John McNamara on 05/11/2018 01:09:55

                                                    #379238
                                                    not done it yet
                                                    Participant
                                                      @notdoneityet

                                                      Just guessing, here, that Gary (Eccentric Engineering) taken on the diamond tool holder from the same gentleman who originally developed the tool discussed in this thread?

                                                      Perhaps he considers the tangential tool holder is a more universal tool, cheaper on sharpening and with better geometry for transferring cutting forces? Would a lump of carbide work in Gary’s tool holder, now that solid carbide cutters are now cheap enough for hobbyists?

                                                       

                                                      Edited By not done it yet on 05/11/2018 09:56:45

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