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    norman valentine
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      #235786
      norman valentine
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        I would like to build a tool grinder. I have most copies of ME from the 40s to the 70s. Is there a plan or even better a construction series hidden away amongst those mags that would be good to build? I don't have enough years left to read my way through them all!

        Thanks, Norman

        #235788
        John Stevenson 1
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          In which case you don't have enough years left either to build a quorn….wink

          #235790
          Clive Hartland
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            @clivehartland94829

            Buy the Hemingway Tool Grinder kit, it iis very good for milling cutters and lathe tools.

            #235794
            norman valentine
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              @normanvalentine78682

              Thanks John, do you want your magazines back?

              Clive, Hemingway's tool and cutter grinder kit is £400. I was hoping to find a plan that would enable me to make it from scrap steel plus aluminium castings that I can make myself.

              #235796
              John Haine
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                Or look at the Acute grinder from Eccentric Engineering, follow their link from this page, I think you can get a kit of materials or just the plans. Took me a few weeks from their kit, see my build thread here.

                http://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=111882&p=1

                Edited By John Haine on 22/04/2016 22:20:54

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                Enough!
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                  Posted by norman valentine on 22/04/2016 21:47:57:

                  Clive, Hemingway's tool and cutter grinder kit is £400. I was hoping to find a plan that would enable me to make it from scrap steel plus aluminium castings that I can make myself.

                  Hemingway sell the drawings for their Worden. It's do-able without the kit (and without castings).

                  #235814
                  Hopper
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                    Harold Hall's book "Tool and Cutter Sharpening" (Workshop Practice Series) has all the drawings and instructions to make a very simple set up to sharpen drills and cutters on a common bench grinder.

                    If you want something a bit more like a professional Clarkson or Deckel type unit, google "Stent tool and cutter grinder". Not sure where the plans for that one are available.

                    #235817
                    Thor 🇳🇴
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                      Hi Norman,

                      Yes, there is a construction series hidden in the ME's from the 70s; the Quorn Tool & Cutter Grinder starts in January 1974, #3480 (part I) the last issue I have on the Quorn is #3495. There is also an article about Tool & Cutter Grinding in #3498. In #3507 and #3508 there is more about using the Quorn.

                      Thor

                      #235819
                      Stewart Hart
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                        You can construct a cutter grinder using comercially available parts:- a small x,y table, a myford vertical slide and a bench grinder.
                        Like this
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                        #235821
                        Danny M2Z
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                          Posted by norman valentine on 22/04/2016 20:55:58:

                          I would like to build a tool grinder. I have most copies of ME from the 40s to the 70s. Is there a plan or even better a construction series hidden away amongst those mags that would be good to build?

                          Workshop Practice Series #38 'Tool and Cutter Sharpening' by Harold Hall has details of a simple grinding table that can be used with a commercial bench grinder. It works quite well, mine was built from discarded materials – only had to purchase the fasteners. Invaluable piece of kit.

                          Harold's website is worth checking out, such gems as this are detailed there **LINK**

                          * Danny M *

                          #235822
                          Russell Eberhardt
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                            I made one of these It is simple but effective. It can do drills including four facet, end mills (sides as well as ends), slitting saws, etc.

                            Russell.

                            #235825
                            Chris Evans 6
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                              Looking at all of those options I consider myself very lucky. A friend has a "Pratt & Whitney" cutter grinder as supplied with a "Keller" copy milling machine pre war or early 50s. It will do flute/ends/ball ends and internal radius work. Best of all I can turn up with a box of cutters and do them myself. Having said that making something is a nice project to add to the list.

                              #235832
                              norman valentine
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                                Thank you everybody for all of these suggestions. I am sure that there is something amongst them that will suit.

                                #235834
                                Bazyle
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                                  This one is not in a magazine but is very simple. It is a swingover type like the Quorn and various small pro units available from China.

                                  colyer casely 4 pdc_1155.jpg

                                  No need to follow the design slavishly. Look at the concept and design a simpler version. There are a couple more pictures in my album under 'Colyer Casely' (might be wrong spelling) who I think are a couple of guys in the Bristol club.

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                                  Clive Foster
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                                    The Brookes T&C grinder design published in MEW April/May and June/July 1993 uses no castings and is said to be a strightforward build. As described it has no drill sharpening facilities but a four facet style using interlocking toast rack V-blocks to hold the drill looks easy enough to add. For a conical point one of the swing designs could be set up. These work well if the geometry is correct.

                                    My main beef with all published designs is the assumption that infinite angle adjustment is both desirable and essential. Realistically the ordinary worker needs very few angles, almost certainly less than 10, so infinite adjustablitily just makes more work and opens up the probability of errors. A few fixed angles also has the advantage that the tool works just the same after each re-sharpening whereas successive nearly the same means you may have to keep re-learning how to get the best out of it. Really sharp but maybe not quite optimum angle always beats book angle but such a pain to regrind that it has to be really blunt before it comes out!

                                    Somewhere in my pile of abandoned back of envelope sketches is a basic layout for a system using stacked pivoting blocks and various sized pins to set the angles. Never really went anywhere because I couldn't see a decent way of doing repeatable and accurate nose radii on lathe. Then I got a Clarkson. Angle templates are theoretically good but no substitute for rapid locking to fixed values. My design also took a fixed grind at each tool sweep so you knew eaxaclty what was happening.

                                    Clive.

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                                    Michael Gilligan
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                                      Posted by Bazyle on 23/04/2016 10:02:42:

                                      This one is not in a magazine

                                      … 'Colyer Casely' (might be wrong spelling) who I think are a couple of guys in the Bristol club.

                                      .

                                      MEW 179

                                      #235866
                                      Ian S C
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                                        There was one in ME back in the 90s that was made mainly from old door hinges.

                                        Ian S C

                                        #235875
                                        Mike Poole
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                                          See Guy Lautards site for details of the Tinker grinder.

                                          Mike

                                          #235876
                                          Neil Wyatt
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                                            Mine is very much a scrap creation Works a lot like Stewart's , I guess.

                                            More pictures HERE

                                            Has vernier angle setting (I always judge by eye), could do with covers for the guides and the endmill holder takes ER collets (without the flange, hand tight is plenty for light grinding).

                                            #235908
                                            Steve Pavey
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                                              One,from Australia here, as plans, to be made from stock materials rather than castings. Seems a reasonable design, not dissimilar to Neils, and apparently does the flutes as wells as the ends of milling cutters.

                                              http://www.machineryplans.com/product/acto-tool-and-cutter-grinder/

                                              Edited By Steve Pavey on 23/04/2016 22:14:41

                                              Edited By Steve Pavey on 23/04/2016 22:15:46

                                              #235977
                                              Ian S C
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                                                @iansc

                                                When you look at the site Steve has bought up, have a look at the other tools too, I like the shaper, and I like the idea that they have of putting a hole through the headstock of the machine to take long things.

                                                Ian S C

                                                #236025
                                                Michael Gilligan
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                                                  Whilst browsing for any illustations of the 'Machinery Plans' I rediscovered this previous thread.

                                                  MichaelG.

                                                  #236049
                                                  Frances IoM
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                                                    if you can cope with German then http://www.metallmodellbau.de/MINI_BONELLE_II.php covers the updated Bonelle with true Teutonic completeness

                                                    (sorry for the improper link but getting back here after the login page is a pain enough!)

                                                    #236055
                                                    Michael Gilligan
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                                                      Well-found Frances

                                                      Allow me … **LINK**

                                                      That ^^^ should be the 'Google Trnslate' version.

                                                      MichaelG.

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