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    AJAX
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      I'm now the proud owner of this suitably vintage milling machine and apart from the colour (which may or may not suit your taste) it appears to have been very well cared for and cuts surprisingly well. I've taken a few test cuts using 1/2" end mill in mild steel and the cutting was smooth and clean, something I didn't really expect as I'm used to a much larger machine (3 HP SEMCO at work).

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      The machine does not use a draw bar and I'm unfamiliar with the collets which I'm guessing may be difficult to source. It came with quite a lot of tooling including a few 1/4" and 1/2" collets. For smaller tooling I'm wondering about making some custom tool holders with a fixing grub screw (grinding a flat on the tool).

      All comments welcome (including what colour I should paint it).

      Brian

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      AJAX
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        #565555
        Dave Halford
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          @davehalford22513

          You only need 6 collets to cover all the relevant cutter shanks.

          1/4" 3/8" 1/2"

          6mm 10mm 12mm

          #565557
          Michael Gilligan
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            Very useful looking little mill

            Z axis adjustment looks interesting … presumably it is this ‘BC’ model: **LINK**

            http://www.lathes.co.uk/portmac/

            MichaelG.

            #565561
            AJAX
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              @ajax
              Posted by Dave Halford on 04/10/2021 20:46:04:

              You only need 6 collets to cover all the relevant cutter shanks.

              1/4" 3/8" 1/2"

              6mm 10mm 12mm

              Having just checked what I actually possess, I need to correct what I stated earlier. I have one each of 1/4", 3/8" and 1/2" collets. The milling machine also came with a good amount of end mills — I'd guess at about 100+ which should keep me going a while.

              I don't have any metric collets, which may or may not be a problem.

              #565564
              AJAX
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                @ajax
                Posted by Michael Gilligan on 04/10/2021 21:02:23:

                Very useful looking little mill

                Z axis adjustment looks interesting … presumably it is this ‘BC’ model: **LINK**

                http://www.lathes.co.uk/portmac/

                MichaelG.

                Yes, the Z axis is "interesting" but it seems to work very well. I've only tried it for a couple of test cuts but I rather like it already. Unlike most older machines I've owned, this one appears to have very little wear.

                I read the same webpage which mentions the "BC miller" but I wonder where the author gets that name from. Mine has various names on the castings including VM20 and VM4.

                When I Google "Portmac" all I get is Apple Mac computer ports!

                #565565
                AJAX
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                  @ajax

                  The well-known Lathes website states the following:

                  the spindle accepted standard dead-length Crawford collets (1.5" long with capacities ranging from 1/8" to 1/2" )

                  Is this something I could obtain without selling a kidney? 

                  Edited By AJAX on 04/10/2021 21:25:33

                  #565744
                  AJAX
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                    @ajax

                    Apparently they may be the same collets as used on a Herbert or Ward Models "0" or "1". I'd be grateful if anyone could confirm that.

                    collet-dimensions

                    If I don't make any progress with collets then I may look at fitting an ER system instead (that may in fact be the better option) making use of the existing nose thread.

                    #565749
                    Hollowpoint
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                      @hollowpoint

                      That's a really nice little machine! Not seen one before. 😎

                      #565752
                      Michael Gilligan
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                        @michaelgilligan61133

                        Posted by AJAX on 04/10/2021 21:23:17:

                        […]

                        When I Google "Portmac" all I get is Apple Mac computer ports!

                        .

                        Disappointing to see that even this got me nowhere: **LINK**

                        https://www.bristolmodelengineers.co.uk/?s=portmac&submit=Search

                        MichaelG.

                        #565755
                        John Haine
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                          @johnhaine32865

                          The arrangement with the splined spindle is like the Myford VMB. Is there a fine downfeed?

                          #565757
                          John Haine
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                            @johnhaine32865

                            One could make those collets I'd have thought.

                            #565761
                            Michael Gilligan
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                              Posted by John Haine on 06/10/2021 08:38:46:

                              The arrangement with the splined spindle is like the Myford VMB. Is there a fine downfeed?

                              .

                              From the lathes.co.uk description, John:

                              [quote]
                              The head could be slid up and down the face of the column through a range of 7" .
                              Fitted with a screw-on nose cap, the spindle accepted standard dead-length Crawford collets [ 1.5" long with capacities ranging from 1/8" to 1/2" ]and had a travel of just 1.5 inches with the feed handwheel, threaded internally, sitting just above and surrounding spindle housing so that it acted directly upon the quill – a most economical design, and possibly unique.

                              [/quote]

                              MichaelG.

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                              Edit: __ killed a smiley

                              Edited By Michael Gilligan on 06/10/2021 08:54:38

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                              AJAX
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                                Posted by John Haine on 06/10/2021 08:38:46:

                                The arrangement with the splined spindle is like the Myford VMB. Is there a fine downfeed?

                                Yes, there is. Rotate the large hand wheel (through which the spindle passes) and the feed can be finely controlled. Fingers also pass very close to the rotating spindle, so I might see if I can fit some sort of boot.

                                I have too many jobs on at the moment (I stripped down a Multico A3 table saw and it's now an explosion of parts being repainted) but when I make some room I'll take more photos and possibly a video of it running. I think that will be worth doing as it seems a quite unique machine.

                                #565866
                                AJAX
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                                  @ajax
                                  Posted by John Haine on 06/10/2021 08:40:18:

                                  One could make those collets I'd have thought.

                                  I don't know whether I could make one of those collets but I'm sure I could turn something that would be useful. I did actually enquire about getting collets made (or adapted) and the price was not unreasonable but more than I'd like to pay now. I'm still wondering whether I can't make an ER collet adapter than fits on the spindle nose.

                                  #565867
                                  AJAX
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                                    @ajax
                                    Posted by Michael Gilligan on 06/10/2021 08:08:44:

                                    Posted by AJAX on 04/10/2021 21:23:17:

                                    […]

                                    When I Google "Portmac" all I get is Apple Mac computer ports!

                                    .

                                    Disappointing to see that even this got me nowhere: **LINK**

                                    https://www.bristolmodelengineers.co.uk/?s=portmac&submit=Search

                                    MichaelG.

                                    Yes, the apparently world-wide absence of information (apart from the Lathes website and a couple of posts here) is a bit curious.

                                    #565884
                                    John Haine
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                                      @johnhaine32865

                                      **LINK** is an article on making myford style collets, a similar method should work.

                                      #571925
                                      AJAX
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                                        @ajax

                                        I have been working on this project somewhat intermittently but the mill has now been repainted and a new 3 phase motor fitted. Rather happy with the Leroy Somer 0.25 kW motor which cost only £31.20 including Vat and delivery and comes with a 3 year warranty.

                                        #571931
                                        Michael Gilligan
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                                          Posted by AJAX on 19/11/2021 06:07:33:

                                          […]

                                          Rather happy with the Leroy Somer 0.25 kW motor which cost only £31.20 including Vat and delivery and comes with a 3 year warranty.

                                          .

                                          Please see my query on the concurrent ‘Chinese Lathe’ thread

                                          Thanks

                                          MichaelG.

                                          #571958
                                          ega
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                                            @ega
                                            Posted by AJAX on 04/10/2021 21:23:17:…

                                            When I Google "Portmac" all I get is Apple Mac computer ports!

                                            DuckDuckGo finds MG's link halfway down the first page. The link also seems to answer the colour point.

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