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  • #419904
    Ernest Shirt
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      @ernestshirt11434

      This may sound like an odd request bearing in mind I have owned my Chipmaster for more than ten years. The lock on the saddle is engaged with a 7/16” square bolt to the rear of the saddle and from aquiring my machine I used an old brass stop tap key which has suddenly gone walk about I cannot find it anywhere and I’m wanting to replace it but it is not listed or mentioned in the manual and everyone I have asked about it are as puzzled as I am as no one has ever seen one, could anyone shed any light on this item please.

      Regards

      Ernest

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      #13591
      Ernest Shirt
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        @ernestshirt11434

        Saddle locking Wrench

        #419973
        Brian Wood
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          @brianwood45127

          Ernest,

          You may have to make one by filing out a square hole in a piece of drilled bar and then welding or brazing a T handle or similar to it.

          If you Google square chuck keys all you see are the male versions and looking for hollow square keys only seems to go up to clock winding key sizes, nothing in the size you need..

          Brian

          #419982
          Clive Foster
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            @clivefoster55965

            Ernest

            T handle box spanners in 7/16" from Smith & Francis here :- **LINK** . Site has an "expensive" look tho'.

            Probably plenty of suppliers if you knew what to search for without getting umpteen million results for square drive sockets.

            As Brian says easily made by welding or brazing if you have the kit.

            Clive

            #420017
            DC31k
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              @dc31k

              I do not think Colchester ever supplied a spanner for this.

              Whatever you make, it needs to be fairly shallow or it will foul the topslide when it is parallel to the spindle axis.

              A good place to start might be a gas bottle spindle key and a file. Older ones appear to have more meat surrounding the square hole.

              #420079
              Ernest Shirt
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                @ernestshirt11434

                Thank you for all your replies and suggestions but I believe I have actually found the supplied tool list for a Chipmaster and now I know what I’m looking for I bet I have pushed them aside looking through second hand tools at steam rallies and model engineer shows. As soon as I found the list it stood out like a sore thumb and made perfect sense it is a combination spanner 7/16 sq. x 1/2” AF and it makes sense as the 1/2” AF is for the two locking nuts on the compound slide swivel… Doh

                part number 81-153

                again many thanks for all who replied and as a stop gap until I find one I’m going to make a new locking bolt with a 1/2” AF hex head and just use a standard 1/2” combination spanner.

                if anyone would like to see the full list just let me know and I will list everything.

                Ernest

                Edited By Ernest Shirt on 20/07/2019 23:38:10

                Edited By Ernest Shirt on 20/07/2019 23:38:39

                #420100
                DC31k
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                  @dc31k
                  Posted by Ernest Shirt on 20/07/2019 23:35:42:

                  …I’m going to make a new locking bolt with a 1/2” AF hex head and just use a standard 1/2” combination spanner.

                  Before you make the new bolt, try a 12-point 1/2" A/F ring spanner on the existing square bolt. Because of the chamfered corners, it fits with no more slack than a 7/16" A/F open ended.

                  If the original spanner was 7/16" square x 1/2" A/F, then maybe a drum brake adjusting spanner can be modified to replicate it.

                  Please post the tool list if you are able.

                  #420208
                  Ernest Shirt
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                    @ernestshirt11434

                    The list as requested

                    81-151 15/16 a/f x 3/4 a/f open end spanner

                    81-152 9/16 a/f x 11/16 a/f open end spanner

                    81-153 7/16 sq x 1/2 a/f combination spanner

                    81-154 15/16 x 11/16 a/f box spanner

                    81-155 Tommy Bar

                    81-156 3/8 a/f Allen hexagon key

                    81-157 5/16 a/f Allen hexagon key

                    81-158 7/32 a/f Allen hexagon key

                    81-159 3/16 a/f Allen hexagon key

                    81-161 1/8 a/f Allen hexagon key

                    81-262 3/32 a/f Allen hexagon key

                    that is the complete list for the Colchester Chipmaster and also I believe for some Bantams

                     

                    Regards

                    Ernest

                    Edited By Ernest Shirt on 21/07/2019 18:31:27

                    #420364
                    Ernest Shirt
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                      @ernestshirt11434

                      Latest update

                      A very nice young lady from Colchester (thank you Lynnette) has sent me a copy of two manual pages one showing the toolkit items and the second being the list of these items. Please sent me your email if you would like a copy.

                      Ernest

                      #420461
                      Stuart Bridger
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                        @stuartbridger82290

                        Call me a heathen, but I have always used a 13mm ring spanner for this function. A bit of a loose fit, but given that not much pressure is required to lock the saddle, it works well enough for me.

                        #420544
                        DC31k
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                          @dc31k
                          Posted by Stuart Bridger on 23/07/2019 08:35:21:

                          Call me a heathen, but I have always used a 13mm ring spanner for this function. A bit of a loose fit, but given that not much pressure is required to lock the saddle, it works well enough for me.

                          You can only escape that epithet if you stipulate that it is the Continental model. As any fule no, a 1/2" ring spanner should be used on the imperial machine.

                          #420548
                          Stuart Bridger
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                            @stuartbridger82290

                            My Chippie has dual dials, does that count

                            #420563
                            Ernest Shirt
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                              @ernestshirt11434

                              If we are getting personal mines an hermaphrodite it’s fully DRO but it’s still got imperial nuts and as far as I’m aware even a metric chippy is imperial in everything but it’s feeds-screws and their nuts lol

                              #420567
                              Stuart Bridger
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                                @stuartbridger82290

                                Continental units have a different screwcutting gearbox as well the leadscrew. Mine is imperial, but does have the dual dials. which i have been told is quite rare. Very useful though.

                                #420574
                                mark costello 1
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                                  @markcostello1

                                  From across the pond Mine has dual dials. Wondered what the funny numbers were for!

                                  #420618
                                  DC31k
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                                    @dc31k
                                    Posted by Stuart Bridger on 23/07/2019 16:05:35:

                                    Continental units have a different screwcutting gearbox as well the leadscrew. Mine is imperial, but does have the dual dials. which i have been told is quite rare. Very useful though.

                                    And strangely enough, although the Continental model has an impressive range of imperial threading abilities, I believe the dual dials only work on imperial feedscrews. Hence, you could have imperial threads on a Continental but could not have imperial dials.

                                    The only serious thing an imperial machine cannot do is M12 (x 1.75) threads. However, with 36t and 63t change gears from an ancient Drummond, it can.

                                    #483708
                                    Tiger
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                                      @tiger

                                      Hi DC31k,

                                      "The only serious thing an imperial machine cannot do is M12 (x 1.75) threads. However, with 36t and 63t change gears from an ancient Drummond, it can."

                                      Can you tell us more about it?

                                      This is interesting. I mean where should these two above mentioned years be mounted on a Chipmaster?

                                      Thanks!

                                      #483744
                                      DC31k
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                                        @dc31k

                                        Let's start slightly at a tangent: Chipmaster gears are 14DP, 14.5 degree PA, same as a Drummond or Myford M-type or Harrison L5 or 140 (and possibly an older Colchester Student or Master). The six-spline centre detail is discussed here: https://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=84252&p=1

                                        There is someone on eBay called you_engraving who will cut these gears in delrin, including the centre detail, for what I consider a very good price.

                                        Standard gears on a Chipmaster are 66t and 33t, giving 2:1 or 1:2 ratio. This does not change when you put the (55t/65t) metric translation gear into the train.

                                        The theory behind it is: the relationship between 1.75mm and 1mm is 7:4 so if you put the location bar in 9, which gives multiples of 1mm pitch, alter the 2:1 (66/33) or 1:2 (33/66) ratios to 7:4 (63/36) or 4:7 (36/63) and flip the other lever between A, B, and C, one of the six possible combinations will give 1.75mm and another will give 3.5mm.

                                        That ends the factual bit. Now everything that follows is potentially incorrect. It is a long time since I did the experiment so details are hazy and there might be a mistake below.

                                        My pencil note in the handbook says 63/36 9C for 1.75mm and 63/36 9B for 3.5mm. What I cannot recall is if this was my initial calculation or is the final, correct result. I do remember that the first time I tried the gears, I did not get the expected pitch. I then either swapped the gears around or moved the A,B,C lever and it eventually worked. So what is written in my book may be correct or incorrect, but there are only six possibilities so it will not take long to find out which two are correct.

                                        #483747
                                        Howard Lewis
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                                          @howardlewis46836

                                          If the Saddle lock is 7/16" square, would not a 7/16" A/F spanner operate it?

                                          #483756
                                          Erik Werner Hansen
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                                            @erikwernerhansen82920

                                            I happen to have a Continental Chipmaster.

                                            If anyone should stumble over a set of changewheels to cut imperial threads,

                                            please let me know. I know a thread dial indicator is out of the question.

                                            While the imperial version has it integrated in the apron – lucky you…

                                            Cheers

                                            Erik

                                            PS: If your Chippie has a working variator – take care of it. Ask, if you don't know how.

                                            #483759
                                            Tiger
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                                              @tiger

                                              Well I'll be….

                                              Just bought a Myford M type with set of change gears, but the 36 and 63 are not here. The here are

                                              65, 60, 40, 35, 30 and 20.

                                              But thanks anyway, good to know that someone can make it from delrin , although I would make my own from steel or cast iron.

                                              Howard Lewis, the saddle lock, mine is 7/16 square and the spanner says 7/16 on the star end, and 1/2 on the open end.

                                              Erik Werner Hansen, mine still has the original variator. I change oil quite often, installed an hour counter on two of the motor's wiring. I keep a chart with oild changes and workimg hours. How do you take care of your variator?

                                              Tiger

                                              #483760
                                              Tiger
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                                                @tiger

                                                Well I'll be….

                                                Just bought a Myford M type with set of change gears, but the 36 and 63 are not here. The here are

                                                65, 60, 40, 35, 30 and 20.

                                                But thanks anyway, good to know that someone can make it from delrin , although I would make my own from steel or cast iron.

                                                Howard Lewis, the saddle lock, mine is 7/16 square and the spanner says 7/16 on the star end, and 1/2 on the open end.

                                                Erik Werner Hansen, mine still has the original variator. I change oil quite often, installed an hour counter on two of the motor's wiring. I keep a chart with oild changes and workimg hours. How do you take care of your variator?

                                                Tiger

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