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  • #382320
    Colin Heseltine
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      @colinheseltine48622

      I need a .8 metric pitch thread. Can this be achieved on a Myford Super 7 with fitted gearbox. I do not have the Metric quadrant or gear set.

      I do have the 33/34 teeth John Stevenson gears but they do not appear to give .8 pitch.

      TIA

      Colin

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      #13354
      Colin Heseltine
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        #382321
        Brian Wood
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          @brianwood45127

          Hello Colin,

          I take it you are cutting an M5 thread.

          Fit the 33 T gear in place of the 24, set the gearbox to 44 tpi and this will produce a pitch of 0.794 mm

          Regards

          Brian

          #382333
          Colin Heseltine
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            @colinheseltine48622

            Thank you Brian. This is only for an adaptor to go in back of a 5C collet which will then be welded in and bored out to MT3.

            Colin

            #382346
            duncan webster 1
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              @duncanwebster1

              0.794mm pitch is 31.989924 tpi, might as well just cut it 32 which is 0.79375 and save messing with the change gears

              #382404
              Brian Wood
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                @brianwood45127

                Very observant of you Duncan and I agree with you in this case.

                I do though ask if converting a required metric pitch back to an imperial pitch to see if one of those is close enough is a really practical way of proceeding? That approach then leads you into the territory of how far does one take this before the error becomes unacceptable?

                Other advantages of changing the primary drive wheel to 33 teeth as in this case, along with corresponding gearbox changes, does open the door to a range of other metric pitches, some BA pitches and some others; that don't involve heavy use of a calculator to make the comparisons you appear to advocate.

                Regards

                Brian

                #382407
                JasonB
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                  @jasonb

                  I think you have to judge each case as you get to it. In this instance it is totally practical as there is no difference that most of us could measure and combine that with the fact it is going to have an off the shelf screw which will be a bit slack and the screw is only to hold a part while it is being welded.

                  Same as you could get away with 20tpi to cut 1.25mm pitch if it is taking a stock nut, the odd 0.02mm over a few turns won't make it lock up, provided that nut is not holding the wings onto your home made aircraft.

                  #382408
                  JasonB
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                    @jasonb
                    Posted by Colin Heseltine on 25/11/2018 19:58:35:

                    Thank you Brian. This is only for an adaptor to go in back of a 5C collet which will then be welded in and bored out to MT3.

                    Colin

                    Are you screwing into the collets own thread? As that is 24tpi or 1.058mm pitch

                    #382417
                    Swarf, Mostly!
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                      @swarfmostly

                      Hi there, all,

                      In discussions of screw-cutting, there is sometimes mention of the percentage error ensuing from the use of some combinations of change-wheels and/or quick-change gear-box, i.e. the percentage difference between the desired or nominal thread and the actual achieved pitch. (Though I notice that none of the posters here have quoted percentage error. )

                      I wonder whether a usable 'figure of merit' in such matters might be the number of turns required for the error to accumulate to 1 pitch?

                      Best regards,

                      Swarf, Mostly!

                      #382418
                      John Haine
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                        @johnhaine32865

                        More useful perhaps would be the number of turns that a long nut of the correct nominal pitch could be run on to a screw of the approximate pitch before it jams – that is long before the error is a whole pitch.

                        #382421
                        JasonB
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                          @jasonb

                          Then you get the problem that one mans long nut is another's lock nut.

                          What about the "fit" of the thread will that be based on measuring with wires of just feeding in to depth and if a full form insert is used will that be less likely to bind that using a home ground 60degreeish tool that leaves pointed crests.

                          As I say so many variables that you can really only judge each job as it comes along.

                          #382424
                          not done it yet
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                            @notdoneityet

                            While a nut may ‘fit,’ or a set screw might thread in, there is also the actual number of threads (or part turns of thread), which are (is) actually fixing the two together under tension to consider. A jammed nut may actually only be contacting on two points?

                            Edited By not done it yet on 26/11/2018 16:23:16

                            #382436
                            duncan webster 1
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                              @duncanwebster1

                              If we really want to get into the nitty gritty, it is arguable that nuts should have a slightly larger pitch than bolts as nuts get compressed and so shorter when tightened, vice versa bolts. No I'm not going to do the sums, I'll stick to having them the same

                              #382438
                              Colin Heseltine
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                                @colinheseltine48622

                                JasonB

                                You spotted the problem, my colleague checked it this morning and realised that he had boo boo'd and that It was a 1mm pitch not a .8. So thanks all for the ideas not actually required in the end but useful to file away at back of mind for future recall (if I'm lucky). He has in fact cut the thread, screwed the insert in and I now need to give it a quick blast with the MIG welder (whilst it is pulled up tight into collet holder, prior to being bored out to take a MT3 taper. The MT3 blank arbor will then be bored and tapped to replace the Int 30 arbor on Lenz Boring and facing Head

                                Regards,

                                Colin

                                #382440
                                JasonB
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                                  @jasonb

                                  Suggest he checks again as 24tpi is standard for all 5C collets not 25.4tpi which is what 1.0mm pitch is.

                                  Luckily they are a bit slack to allow for swarf etc so you got away with it

                                  #382449
                                  Brian Wood
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                                    @brianwood45127

                                    Colin,

                                    Just anticipating your next question!

                                    A 1 mm thread pitch on your Myford can be generated using the 34 T gear, matched with 36 tpi selected on the gearbox. the result is 0.999 mm pitch

                                    Regards

                                    Brian

                                    #382463
                                    Colin Heseltine
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                                      @colinheseltine48622

                                      Jason,

                                      I will suggest my colleague gets either his eyes or thread gauge tested.

                                      Brian,

                                      I've just found the little page that came with the gears from John S which had those details on it. But thank you just the same.

                                      Colin

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