Windows 10…more worries so listen…

[Russell EberhardtParticipant @russelleberhardt48058]

Posted by Vic on 01/06/2016 19:11:46:The real advantage with Apple is that they make both the hardware and software.

Not necessarily an advantage. Would you buy a car from a manufacturer that insists on it only being filled up at their (high priced) filling stations?

Russell

[MuzzerParticipant @muzzer]

Posted by Vic on 01/06/2016 19:11:46:

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 01/06/2016 19:02:42:

The problem with OSX is that it is Apple specific. For all their faults, anyone can build and sell machines that will run windows. However much OSX appeals it's hard for many people to justify even a refurbished Macbook when you can buy a new, higher-spec laptop for around half the price.

Neil

Not quite true as you can run OS X on non Apple hardware provided it has a high enough specification. Search Hackintosh if you are in doubt. High spec PC laptops aren't often a lot cheaper than MacBooks. The real advantage with Apple is that they make both the hardware and software.

Indeed – a Dell XPS15 with i7 processor, 16GB and a proper graphics card isn't much different in price to a Mac Book Pro of similar spec. But many engineering programs will only run on Windows, so I have the Dell.

Murray

[VicParticipant @vic]

That's not a very good comparison Russell. Not least because OS X has been free for several years.

[VicParticipant @vic]

Posted by Muzzer on 01/06/2016 19:38:09:

Indeed – a Dell XPS15 with i7 processor, 16GB and a proper graphics card isn't much different in price to a Mac Book Pro of similar spec. But many engineering programs will only run on Windows, so I have the Dell.

Murray

Valid point Murray and Dell make good stuff, I ran one of their monitors on a Mac.

You can run Windows on a Mac though.

**LINK**

I've read that Windows can even run faster on a Mac than some cheaper PC's.

We've got way off topic now though!

[AjohnwParticipant @ajohnw51620]

The other two people that live in this place here have now switched to Mac's. They seem to fit in well with iPad's and iPhone's and it has to be said that my wife now has far less trouble using her's than the previous windows machine.

The only problem with Apple really is that they would probably like us all living in iHouses driving iCars and wearing iCloths and maybe producing iBabies at some point. Never checked but believe I have heard that they are now the largest company on the planet. Maybe share value, I have no idea. Me happy with Linux. Photography, 2Dcad aren't a problem and I doubt if 3D cad will be either really once I install and need it. I do sometimes have problems updating firmware especially in cameras and things like that but now I would simply use my wife's Mac. Mac's are well covered in most areas.

Apple price comparison is difficult from what I have seen of the Mac Books here. Slim, light and pretty rugged and well made. They do seem to have dropped a large screen version and maybe that was because people were cracking them. My PC is an HP workstation. Costs well over a typical PC but pretty good value when all things are considered. I couldn't build it for the same price. I'd even have problems trying to buy the hefty case it's in – the hefty aspect makes it pretty quiet.

John

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[Enough!Participant @enough]

Posted by Bob Stevenson on 01/06/2016 16:39:12:

….Ms no longer looks at you and I as 'customers' but as tiny plantlets in it's own vast cash crop…plantlets that can be cropped and processed in many ways to give a big pay off…….

And Apple differs in this respect ….. how exactly?

[NJHParticipant @njh]

Probably not at all – but maybe it has more style ! 🤓

Norman

[MadMikeParticipant @madmike]

YAWN………..I have never seen so much written, by so many about so little. Has anybody actually cut any metal today?

[NJHParticipant @njh]

So Mike what are you doing reading threads about Windows……….

( and , for my part as an Apple user, what am I doing reading it! …..&nbsp

Norman

[AjohnwParticipant @ajohnw51620]

Same as me NJH curiosity and maybe gloating on all the worry these people have.

One thing I have noticed over the years is that now instead of people who run something else pointing out why they don't run windows many who do are now wondering about what exactly the have gotten into and what it actually does.

John

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[Ady1Participant @ady1]

YAWN………..I have never seen so much written, by so many about so little. Has anybody actually cut any metal today?

Too much blood pouring out of the missus today. All ok now though, phew.

Ignore the monsters at your peril, and at the peril of your children

The EU monsters, the Android OS monsters, the Windows OS monsters, The Apple OS monsters

[Bob StevensonParticipant @bobstevenson13909]

I note amusing pic in the last post,….but PLEASE avoid EU/political references here as the mods will have no choice but to delete the whole topic and there is some very valuable stuff here that should rightfully be recorded.

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

I removed the photie so we're ok now.

Sorry about that

[Anthony KendallParticipant @anthonykendall53479]

Posted by Vic on 01/06/2016 19:46:04:

….. You can run Windows on a Mac though.

Mmm!! I would think long and hard before I poisoned a Mac with microsoft in any way.

Those who have escaped and climbed over "Win's Dyke" rarely wish think they should climb back over it.

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Ok, loaded W10 on my laptop yesterday as an experiment. Aside from some bloatware and the need to select custom install and turn off everything unwanted, a painless process.

Neil

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Ajohnw on 01/06/2016 17:34:31:

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In a round about way IBM were responsible for their own "fall" if that is the right word.

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John

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Edited By Ajohnw on 01/06/2016 17:36:55

Life got very difficult for the likes of IBM as computer technology advanced. I once went to a customer presentation where a big company told us why we should buy their stuff.

• First on were the Microcomputer group. They explained that micros were the future and that minicomputers and mainframes were far too expensive and inflexible.
• Second on were the Minicomputer team. Their sales position was that the microcomputer was a puny joke incapable of real work and that the mainframe was a hideously expensive behemoth only good for old fashioned batch processing.
• Third on were the Mainframe boys. They explained that microcomputer and minicomputers were a fashion that wouldn't last. A mainframe apparently could "tuck everything they could do into a corner" without noticing.
• Last to speak was the parallel computing team. They explained that they were developing a multiprocessor machine that would outperform the company's most expensive mainframe by a factor of 20 for about half the cost.

Then as now technology companies have as much trouble seeing into the future as everyone else. In consequence this big computer firm was competing with itself, which cannot be good. And they weren't the only one!

Another way people get it wrong. Having spent a lot of money on producing profitable old lines it is all too tempting to stick with them. Kodak, for example, did a lot of original R&D on digital photography but walked away afterthe board sold all their digital patents to competitors after deciding that their huge investment in film, conventional cameras and processing was "safe". After all film images were of much higher quality!. Unfortunately film was about as good as could get, whereas digital has massive untapped potential. Alas for Kodak, film sales all but collapsed whilst digital boomed.

Digital is no sinecure. The rise of good cheap cameras in phones has seriously damaged the market for compacts , whilst bridge cameras are busy undermining the profitability of SLRs.

If I could predict the future I'd be rich!

Cheers,

Dave

Edited By SillyOldDuffer on 02/06/2016 12:34:26

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

The next big thing is probably the short film clips instead of photos that my daughter showed me yesterday (OK on an i-phone). More like the living images in Harry Potter, she had taken pics of her walking group and a waterfall and they were quite effective. As memory keeps getting cheaper, no doubt this sort of thing will become popular as it has much of the immediacy of still images. No doubt decent 3D is next, you only need a phone with a lens at each end.

[Bob StevensonParticipant @bobstevenson13909]

Neil,…it's being suggested among serious and commercial stills photographers that short video clips will replace much still work in the next few years and this has already started with product launch work and the like….So, phone with lenses is right, plus holographic projection lens(es)

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Bob Stevenson on 02/06/2016 14:52:28:

Neil,…it's being suggested among serious and commercial stills photographers that short video clips will replace much still work in the next few years …

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Henri Cartier Bresson will be turning in his grave !!

… But I suppose most of us would need to use a short video clip to do justice to that image.

MichaelG.

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

I got a 110 quid samsung phone for my work. Tried the "camera" video and it's amazing.

Full HD video, with sound, you can record one or two hours worth(or more, I can't remember) on a 32GB card and the whole package slips into a shirt pocket.

[Roderick JenkinsParticipant @roderickjenkins93242]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 02/06/2016 16:35:26:

Posted by Bob Stevenson on 02/06/2016 14:52:28:

Neil,…it's being suggested among serious and commercial stills photographers that short video clips will replace much still work in the next few years …

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Henri Cartier Bresson will be turning in his grave !!

But will we be able to view that video clip in 50 years time? We can still appreciate Henri's efforts today just by opening a book.

My wife has just returned from Jessops with 800 odd 6×4 prints wittled down from the several thousand we took on our New Zealand jaunt (mine were mostly blurry pictures of birds tails). She will stick these photos, in both vertical and horizontal formats, in a traditional album and add annotations so that in the future we will know who, what and where we are looking at. Actually, we'd love to find an electronic version of this but, as far as I can tell, there is nothing available that has the flexibilty and cross platform functionality. She's on album 56 at present and we are running out of houseroom.

Rod

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Posted by Roderick Jenkins on 02/06/2016 17:24:39:

But will we be able to view that video clip in 50 years time? We can still appreciate Henri's efforts today just by opening a book.

Rod

I just wiggled a mouse and pressed a few buttons and could enjoy hundreds of his images…

As for my 'holiday snaps' thanks to digital they and many of my old transparencies have been a valuable resource that has helped my career and hobbies in ways that my dog-eared old prints never could. I still have transparencies from a fortnight hillwalking in Scotland with one of my brothers taken nearly thirty years ago that I have never projected and only looked through once or twice. I must scan them, there's a whole series on Ben Eighe and the Grey Carls on a misty day for a start IIRC.

Neil

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Roderick Jenkins on 02/06/2016 17:24:39:

We can still appreciate Henri's efforts today just by opening a book.

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This one, for instance

MichaelG.

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P.S. [in case it wasn't obvious]

my earlier comment was meant as humble praise for H.C-B

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 02/06/2016 18:07:45

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 02/06/2016 14:37:37:

The next big thing is probably the short film clips …

At risk of starting another hare, I fear the next big thing will be Climate Change. At least we will be able to photograph it.

Dave

[NJHParticipant @njh]

Rod

Are all your photos on film? (if so you will need a scanner) but the most useful photo programme in my view is Adobe Lightroom – versions are available for both pc & mac. It is basically a way of storing and viewing digital images – it is in fact a database.( It can also make significant edits if required) Images are loaded into an "album" and tagged with date and any keywords that you chose to add and this info can be used to select ( for example) all those which you tagged "New Zealand" or, if you added a tag of "birds" it would extract all your pics of birds. ( tag "birds, New Zealand" it will extract all pics of birds taken in New Zealand) It has a built in slide show which can run sequences that you select. Any edits ( exposure, cropping, sharpness, colour correction etc) can be made easily and are non – destructive – i.e. they can be undone. Your original file always remains unaltered and the adjustments are added at the output – either to screen or file.

The programme is available for your desktop or, indeed, for your iPad, iPhone or Android.

Look it up on line – there are also many tutorials available.

The programme does interact seamlessly with Photoshop where more extreme ( and non – reversable) edits may be applied.

I could write a book about it (but several folk, far more knowledgeable than I, have already done so!) Have a look at:- http://www.adobe.com/Lightroom

Compared to the cost of printing 800+ 6×4 I think it will be a bargain.

Norman

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