What are you doing to stay safe

[Danny M2ZParticipant @dannym2z]

Now it appears that cats can spread the WuFlu Infected Cat

[Danny M2ZParticipant @dannym2z]

Posted by J Hancock on 28/03/2020 12:42:34:

All the serious You Tube stuff suggests 6metres/ 20feet is the safe separation to aim for.

So then I read about this Social Distancing

What a sad state of affairs when a person tries to do the right thing and gets busted for it!

* Danny *

[pgk pgkParticipant @pgkpgk17461]

Posted by Danny M2Z on 29/03/2020 05:17:47:

Now it appears that cats can spread the WuFlu Infected Cat

Note that cats have their own very nasty coronavirus – feline infectious peritonitis virus (FIP). This report is likely preliminary and to my mind questions remain as to what test was used; whether it is entirely COVID-19 specific or cross reacts with other coronaviruses (likely). Doubtless this will get shaken out if/when a full RNA sequencing gets done from the cat source. And, of course, there would still be a questionmark as to whether the cat was passively carrying COVID-19 and it's own signs were from something else.
Unless all the above was done to prove irrefutably that the cat carried and became ill from COVID-19 then it's irresponsible journalism. It might sell papers but typical fear and over-reaction could lead to the slaughter/abandonment of millions of cats.

pgk

[RMAParticipant @rma]

Posted by duncan webster on 27/03/2020 11:31:49:

Posted by Bill Chugg on 27/03/2020 09:04:03:

Posted by duncan webster on 27/03/2020 08:55:05:

Posted by Hopper on 27/03/2020 05:46:04:

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When it stops raining i might even go for a solo motorbike ride just to break things up a bit. Ive got half a dozen, all with full tanks so should last me the duration.

Edited By Hopper on 27/03/2020 05:49:26

Only if you're prepared for a £30 fine and a criminal record. Going for a spin on your bike is not 'essential'

Duncan, I think Hopper is in Australia and not sure if tthe police are issuing fines.

Edited By Bill Chugg on 27/03/2020 09:04:33

Mea Culpa

but they are stopping people in the UK

I don't know of anyone actually being stopped by the Police in the UK. We simply don't have enough officers to be effective in this. The media keep on saying the UK is in 'lock down', it isn't. Boris has only issued advice, nothing mandatory other than closing selective businesses and gatherings.

I can't get to Spain for obvious reasons, but I'm in touch with my Spanish neighbours and read the Spanish press daily. That country is in real lock down, and the Police are patrolling everywhere, even the supermarkets. Spain has a massive Police force so enforcement is being carried out. One couple in Madrid have been fined 60000€ each for going to the supermarket!

Having said that, Spain has suffered badly and it's not yet contained in spite of serious lock down. A couple of reports I've read indicate that bulk purchase of useless testing kits, and football fans returning to Spain after a major football match in Italy.

As many have said on here, going out for food is the weakest link. We stay indoors for a week and then go to the supermarket, all the good work possibly undone, but there is no alternative.

I think mental health issues of many who live alone will become the major outcome of all of this. Maybe the government could start preparing for that, it would be good to be ahead of the game for once. Media headlines this morning speculating that it could go on beyond June is no help to anyone, it just fuels anxiety.

Hat's off to all the public servants….NHS, Police and Fire service, all on greatly reduced budgets, and the many who are doing a fantastic job who I haven't mentioned.

Is the world taking this seriously? I've just looked at Flight Radar and it's surprising how full the skies are with aircraft! I personally think world economy is getting more consideration than world health!

I hope you all manage to stay safe. Now off to the supermarket for my weekly essentials!

[Cornish JackParticipant @cornishjack]

Will people NEVER learn? Newspapers are NOT purveyors of FACTS – particularly when they can make unsubstantiated claims/rumours to excite their gullible 'readers'.The old saw 'never believe anything you read and only half of what you see', is more appropriate than ever in global communication. Reprinting this rubbish is doing nobody any favours, including the contributor!

pgk pgk has it right!

rgds

Bill

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

Posted by pgk pgk on 29/03/2020 08:43:48:

Posted by Danny M2Z on 29/03/2020 05:17:47:

Now it appears that cats can spread the WuFlu Infected Cat

 

Note that cats have their own very nasty coronavirus – feline infectious peritonitis virus (FIP). This report is likely preliminary and to my mind questions remain as to what test was used; whether it is entirely COVID-19 specific or cross reacts with other coronaviruses (likely). Doubtless this will get shaken out if/when a full RNA sequencing gets done from the cat source. And, of course, there would still be a questionmark as to whether the cat was passively carrying COVID-19 and it's own signs were from something else.
Unless all the above was done to prove irrefutably that the cat carried and became ill from COVID-19 then it's irresponsible journalism. It might sell papers but typical fear and over-reaction could lead to the slaughter/abandonment of millions of cats.

 

pgk

That already happened in China when the rumor went around that pets could transmit Covid19. Cats and dogs were being tossed out of highrise windows all over Wuhan and other cities in lockdown.

But don't blame the journalists in the case linked to above. They are merely quoting what officials and a professor involved in the case said. Nothing irresponsible about that. The journalists are doing their job.

The second half of the story then goes on to quote WHO officials who make it clear that Covid19 can not be transmitted from cats and dogs to humans as far as they know. The story says earlier it is believed by researchers that the owner infected the cat and not vice versa.

Responsible journalism all round. No need to panic.

 

Edited By Hopper on 29/03/2020 10:59:08

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Cornish Jack on 29/03/2020 10:49:04:

Will people NEVER learn? Newspapers are NOT purveyors of FACTS – particularly when they can make unsubstantiated claims/rumours to excite their gullible 'readers'.The old saw 'never believe anything you read and only half of what you see', is more appropriate than ever in global communication. Reprinting this rubbish is doing nobody any favours, including the contributor!

pgk pgk has it right!

rgds

Bill

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Very probably, Bill …

So that’s presumably an exception to the rule “never believe anything you read”

MichaelG.

[pgk pgkParticipant @pgkpgk17461]

Hopper,

Fair enough that the report is factual but it's picked up and published in a general newspaper and as per Danny's sentence Now it appears that cats can spread the WuFlu Infected Cat

Immediately gets corrupted and changed. the article said nothing about cats spreading it (if anything it denies such) but word or mouth handed down becomes changed and a new lore. the journalistthat first wrote the article knew that but wants to sell papers.

pgk

[SteviegtrParticipant @steviegtr]

Posted by pgk pgk on 29/03/2020 11:02:59:

Hopper,

Fair enough that the report is factual but it's picked up and published in a general newspaper and as per Danny's sentence Now it appears that cats can spread the WuFlu Infected Cat

Immediately gets corrupted and changed. the article said nothing about cats spreading it (if anything it denies such) but word or mouth handed down becomes changed and a new lore. the journalistthat first wrote the article knew that but wants to sell papers.

pgk

How big did you say that fish you caught was.

Steve.

[Peter Simpson 1Participant @petersimpson1]

Living in a very small village in North Yorkshire it's been even quieter than normal, went to get some odd's and ends, in Helmsley last Friday the market square was like a ghost town.

Staying in the garden, workshop etc most days. I do some pest control for local farmers which gets me out in the fields, Shooting Corvids and Pigeons over newly drilled spring barley. Never see a sole other than tractors at about 500 yards.

Living in the sticks has it's drawbacks but could not cope living in the likes of London. Got my bottle of Whiskey and red wine so quite content at the moment.

[SteviegtrParticipant @steviegtr]

Thought I would give Tesco a mention. Last Sun morning we went at 09:00 as the other half has a NHS pass. It was pandemonium, The store was full of NHS workers by 09:30. The tills did not open until 10:00. We were stood literally shoulder to shoulder for nearly half an hour at long que checkouts. Every checkout had a long que down each aisle.This morning we went again. Garforth branch.

When we arrived there were 3 guys outside sending us to dedicated parking spots. Lots of cordoned off areas. Once inside & I must admit it was not as busy as last week, (maybe some of the panic buying has receded). Everyone was staying well away from each other. We took pairs of surgical gloves with us to wear in store before touching even the trolley.

They opened the checkouts at 09:30. A person directing customers to the till as it became vacant & all from one single 2m apart que. They opened a side exit so people coming in to store did not pass people leaving.

Well done Tesco.

Steve.

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

Posted by pgk pgk on 29/03/2020 11:02:59:

Hopper,

Fair enough that the report is factual but it's picked up and published in a general newspaper and as per Danny's sentence Now it appears that cats can spread the WuFlu Infected Cat

Immediately gets corrupted and changed. the article said nothing about cats spreading it (if anything it denies such) but word or mouth handed down becomes changed and a new lore. the journalistthat first wrote the article knew that but wants to sell papers.

pgk

Dont blame the journalist for what Danny said. The journalist is not responsible for irresponsible internet gossip about the FACTS he published.

[Cornish JackParticipant @cornishjack]

" The journalist is not responsible"

Never a truer word said!!! … and repeating it online even more so.!

However even if your distortions/lies are discredited you could, ultimately attain high office!

rgds

Bill

[Roger ClarkParticipant @rogerclark]

I stopped buying and reading papers maybe 30 plus years ago because of irresponsible reporting and have never regretted the decision, still buy ME, MEW & MB though .

Roger

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by RMA on 29/03/2020 10:37:43:

Posted by duncan webster on 27/03/2020 11:31:49:

Posted by Bill Chugg on 27/03/2020 09:04:03:

Posted by duncan webster on 27/03/2020 08:55:05:

Posted by Hopper on 27/03/2020 05:46:04:

…..

When it stops raining i might even go for a solo motorbike ride just to break things up a bit. Ive got half a dozen, all with full tanks so should last me the duration.

Edited By Hopper on 27/03/2020 05:49:26

Only if you're prepared for a £30 fine and a criminal record. Going for a spin on your bike is not 'essential'

Duncan, I think Hopper is in Australia and not sure if tthe police are issuing fines.

Edited By Bill Chugg on 27/03/2020 09:04:33

Mea Culpa

but they are stopping people in the UK

I don't know of anyone actually being stopped by the Police in the UK. We simply don't have enough officers to be effective in this. The media keep on saying the UK is in 'lock down', it isn't. Boris has only issued advice, nothing mandatory other than closing selective businesses and gatherings.

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As many have said on here, going out for food is the weakest link. We stay indoors for a week and then go to the supermarket, all the good work possibly undone, but there is no alternative….Media headlines this morning speculating that it could go on beyond June is no help to anyone, it just fuels anxiety.

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Is the world taking this seriously? I've just looked at Flight Radar and it's surprising how full the skies are with aircraft! I personally think world economy is getting more consideration than world health!

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Police certainly are stopping people in the UK, but the official approach is to persuade rather than bully. Transgressors here are more likely to be told to engage brain rather than be fined, but I see there have already been a few prison sentences handed down for aggravated bad behaviour. Softly softly usually works better. If things get worse, then the gloves might well come off!

It's impossible and undesirable to stop all movement all of the time: If no-one was allowed out, then electricity, gas and water would fail. Not collecting rubbish causes disease. We need to eat, get urgent medical attention, repair and replace appliances, and fix leaks etc etc. There are plenty of good reasons why some people will have to take risks – like hospital workers. Almost impossible to write a definitive list of exactly what is and is not allowed – it's an emergency.

The purpose of the lock down is to prevent the Health Service being overloaded by too many people getting sick at the same time. The lock down is like a parachute, it doesn't stop us falling, but certainly makes landing safer! To slow down the rate at which the virus spreads, it's only necessary to reduce the number of contacts made between people in a given time. Daily shopping makes far more contacts than once per week. A country walk makes fewer contacts than a town walk and staying indoors limits contacts almost entirely.

Passenger flights have been mostly stopped because people spread the virus, not objects or animals. The benefit of allowing air-freight (including food), outweighs the risk caused by small numbers of air-crew.

How long will this go on for? Left to spread freely the epidemic would probably burn out before the end of June. But it's not being allowed to rip freely through the community because that maximises casualties. With luck the lock down will eliminate the virus simply because it can't find new hosts. Unfortunately there's a risk a more resilient than usual virus could cause repeated flare ups. (COVID-19 appears to be short-lived and delicate.) And the Game changes in our favour if a vaccine becomes available by adding another way of blocking the spread.

My guess is the epidemic will be over by September, but we won't be back to normal straight away. Government got parliament to extend the current batch of emergency powers for 2 years, which is a clue they foresee more risk ahead. (Precautionary – risks don't always come about.)

There will be permanent change as a result of this experience. Don't know what exactly. It appears large numbers of people can work successfully from home. They might be encouraged to carry on permanently, which could take a lot of cars off the road. In the same way, people might switch to buying food online for home delivery rather than trudging around supermarkets. We may all get poorer. Only time will tell what happens next – like playing poker, the outcome of an epidemic can't be completely certain.

Dave

[RMAParticipant @rma]

I don't know where you live, but I have two members of my family who are Police officers and they are too busy with other things including dealing with morons who keep calling them on 999 for the most stupid things! They're not stopping people here! Not many people about anyway as most are being sensible.

True, many aircraft are freighters, but have a look on Flight Radar and see how many passenger aircraft are in the air at the moment. Last night North America looked perfectly normal!

In my opinion we have a global problem and it should be a global lock down….too many weak links, and no health service can cope with it.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 29/03/2020 13:20:45:
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Police certainly are stopping people in the UK, but the official approach is to persuade rather than bully. Transgressors here are more likely to be told to engage brain rather than be fined, but I see there have already been a few prison sentences handed down for aggravated bad behaviour. Softly softly usually works better. If things get worse, then the gloves might well come off!

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But there’s this example of ‘enthusiastic’ policing at street level : **LINK**

Bakery threatened with £80 fine for drawing social distancing markers with chalk

Thankfully, it appears that senior officers had a word with him.

MichaelG.

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P.S. I’ve just returned from a walk … The air is noticeably cleaner !!

[pgk pgkParticipant @pgkpgk17461]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 29/03/2020 14:22:00:

P.S. I’ve just returned from a walk … The air is noticeably cleaner !!

..just wait until i break wind..

pgk

[Cornish JackParticipant @cornishjack]

RMA – what you are seeing on Flight Raidar are pax aircraft flying freight with empty cabins or occasionally packaged freight on seats.. You won't make profits on this sort of operation but it may cover costs. Most 'passenger flights' earn sizeable revenues with the holds carrying up to 20 tonnes of freight.

rgds

Bill

[V8EngParticipant @v8eng]

On the subject of staying safe the following shows how the dodgy ones are taking advantage of things:-

Frauds

Fakes

 

Edited By V8Eng on 29/03/2020 15:23:31

[RMAParticipant @rma]

Posted by Cornish Jack on 29/03/2020 15:09:44:

RMA – what you are seeing on Flight Raidar are pax aircraft flying freight with empty cabins or occasionally packaged freight on seats.. You won't make profits on this sort of operation but it may cover costs. Most 'passenger flights' earn sizeable revenues with the holds carrying up to 20 tonnes of freight.

rgds

Bill

Not exactly true. There are many freight only aircraft in the air at the moment, and I've had details from Delta, United and Lufthansa who are filling the seats with packages as well as the cargo hold of the plane, probably worth the risk if they're carrying essential medical freight. That leaves many passenger flights still going on, some of which are rescue flights of course.

The point is that any aircraft flying from one continent, state or country to another whether freight or passenger will spread this virus. In the meantime many countries are in serious lock down and some not. Unfortunately we are not yet in the lock down position. If the world wants to recover from this we must collectively stop travelling. I've just checked North America again and it's covered with aircraft in flight….certainly not all freight!

[duncan webster 1Participant @duncanwebster1]

Not me but a chap I've known for years. His wife is a nursing sister, so it's fairly important she stays healthy. They decided he would go and live on their canal boat for the duration so that there would be no chance of cross contamination. Some jobsworth has decided that as the boat is not on a residential mooring, he can't live on it. What happened to pragmatism?

[SteviegtrParticipant @steviegtr]

Posted by duncan webster on 29/03/2020 17:37:35:

Not me but a chap I've known for years. His wife is a nursing sister, so it's fairly important she stays healthy. They decided he would go and live on their canal boat for the duration so that there would be no chance of cross contamination. Some jobsworth has decided that as the boat is not on a residential mooring, he can't live on it. What happened to pragmatism?

At this time rules should go out of the window & logic should prevail. I could say more but would mean swearing.

Steve.

[Alan Waddington 2Participant @alanwaddington2]

Bloody decorating

[SteviegtrParticipant @steviegtr]

Posted by Alan Waddington 2 on 30/03/2020 00:08:21:

Bloody decorating

You should be putting a piston in the Vello.

Steve.

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