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  • #29623
    Neil Wyatt
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      #255142
      Neil Wyatt
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        @neilwyatt

        I made a little version of a traditional tool today, something that appears to have barely changed, if at all, since the mid 19th century or earlier, except it is now factory made rather than blacksmithed.

        I 'blacksmithed' mine as I wanted the same coarse appearance as a Victorian one.

        The metal I used was rather odd. It was heavy as steel and had a few (apparently) rust flecks, but looked slightly greyish. It was magnetic, jumping off my hand when I waved a small speaker magnet over it. it could have been stainless but it was as bendable as mild steel, easy to bend and re-bend and showed no work hardening even when beaten with an 'ammer, yet when hit with the hammer it took a lot of bashing to create flats on it. I was able to drill it 1/16" where it had been flattened with no sign of work hardening. I tried oil-blacking it and instead it went grey-green. One or two spots picked up some silver solder and flux off the bit of tile I heated it on, very unlike stainless.

        All in all i suppose it is stainless steel but it really doesn't behave much like one. It can't be a very hard aluminium alloy as it is so magnetic.

        Any ideas?

        #255145
        Peter Krogh
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          @peterkrogh76576

          That sounds like old wrought iron. Pure iron with fine carbon that is mechanically included, not in chemical solution. I hard to find the stuff anymore! If you acid etch the rod, fairly heavily, and it shows a linear structure like lots of wires bundled, then you've got wrought iron.

          Pete

          #255148
          Vic
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            A spark test may indicate what it is. Sounds like it may be some kind of 400 series stainless.

            "400-series sparks are similar to 300-series sparks, but are slightly longer and have forks at the ends of the sparks"

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spark_testing

             

            Edited By Vic on 10/09/2016 19:23:02

            #255152
            John Stevenson 1
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              @johnstevenson1

              unobtainium or scrapbinium at a guess.

              #255157
              Bazyle
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                @bazyle

                Perhaps nickel or a high nickel no chrome stainless as used for cutlery.

                #255166
                Rik Shaw
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                  @rikshaw

                  Put us out of our misery Neil – what does your little tool do?

                  Rik

                  #255170
                  Roderick Jenkins
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                    Monel perhaps?

                    #255186
                    Speedy Builder5
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                      @speedybuilder5

                      Monel:-
                      "Cold working can increase the magnetic properties while solution annealling can render the item non magnetic until it is cold worked again."

                      #255188
                      not done it yet
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                        @notdoneityet

                        RJ may well be onthe right track. Green colour flagged it up for me as possibly a copper alloy.

                         

                        According to goggle it should work harden – and its magnetic properties are interesting. Reaction with nitric acid is used to identify, or discern from

                         stainless steel or steel.

                        Edited By not done it yet on 11/09/2016 08:15:30

                        #255193
                        Gordon W
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                          Grinder test– dullish red = wrought iron.

                          #255206
                          Neil Wyatt
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                            Spark test is either wrought iron or stainless, a single long-thin 'leaf' from each spark. If there's any final fork (400 series) it's barely there.

                            But not wrought iron, it would black and show colours when heated.

                            It must be a stainless, but one that is remarkably easy to work.

                            As for the mystery tool, come to MEX and see it at work

                            Neil

                            #255207
                            MW
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                              @mw27036

                              Inconel or Nimonic?

                              Michael W

                              #255212
                              MW
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                                Posted by John Stevenson on 10/09/2016 19:45:07:

                                unobtainium or scrapbinium at a guess.

                                I take it those ores are not very nice to work with? I can't seem to find unobtainium anywhere. Scrapbinium always get a poor surface finish and odd sizes. I prefer machining sponge, as it is the only material that can be both round and square with a bit of heft. wink 2

                                Michael W

                                #255227
                                Neil Wyatt
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                                  @neilwyatt

                                  You know what i think this is?

                                  It looks just like Meccano axle, but 3/32" instead of 5/32". Which probably means it is a cheap stainless.

                                  Neil

                                  #255232
                                  Geoff Theasby
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                                    Have you checked it for radioactivity?

                                    Geoff

                                    #255265
                                    duncan webster 1
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                                      Posted by Michael Walters on 11/09/2016 10:17:37:

                                      Posted by John Stevenson on 10/09/2016 19:45:07:

                                      unobtainium or scrapbinium at a guess.

                                      I take it those ores are not very nice to work with? I can't seem to find unobtainium anywhere. Scrapbinium always get a poor surface finish and odd sizes. I prefer machining sponge, as it is the only material that can be both round and square with a bit of heft. wink 2

                                      Michael W

                                      You should try quantonium, that can be round and square (or neither) at the same time

                                      #255273
                                      Raymond Anderson
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                                        If it is remarkably easy to work as Neil says then, it's certainly not Inconel or Nimonic. They are a lot of things but "easy " isn't one of them.smiley. I don't even know of a Stainless steel that is "remarkably easy to work " not even 303. Maybe even just a rubbish alloy used for parts of a toy. Don't suppose you will ever know for sure, need a lab for that.

                                        #255293
                                        SillyOldDuffer
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                                          @sillyoldduffer

                                          Could it be a Maraging Steel, as used to make ultra-centrifuges and golf clubs?

                                          No doubt Neil would think of an ultra-centrifuge as being a "Traditional Tool". They were much used in the past to make ye olde enriched Uranium.

                                          Dave

                                          #255298
                                          mark costello 1
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                                            @markcostello1

                                            North Korea for a source?

                                            #255307
                                            Vic
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                                              @vic

                                              Maraging steel was also used in the grabs that failed during the partial raising of the Russian Submarine K-129 in the 1970's.

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