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    vintagengineer
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      #284686
      vintagengineer
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        I am rebuilding a 1914 petrol engine that has twin cams. One of the timing gears is missing. I need to make a replacement, I have measured them and they appear to be cut at an angle of 14 1/2 degrees but are straight not helical.

        I assume I can cut the gear the same as straight spur gear but at the correct angle.

        Anyone has come across this type of gear before?

        #284688
        Hopper
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          Yes, but I made it myself. Works well as a wormwheel on a dividing head, meshed with an Acme thread of suitable pitch. I made it just as you say, same as a straight spur gear but mount the blank at the suitable angle. No idea how it would go meshing with another gear rather than a worm.

          #284689
          John Stevenson 1
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            If they are cut AT AN ANGLE of 14 1/2 degrees then regardless they are helical

            #284690
            Phil P
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              Can you put us a close up photo of the gear in question please.

              I doubt very much it will be an angled gear as you describe and think it probably is a helical gear, but I would be very interested to see it all the same.

              If teeth were cut at an angle across a gear blank, they would be shallower at the sides and deeper in the middle, I don't think that would make for a very good gear if it has to mesh with another one the same.

              The only time I have seen this type of gear in use, is as an alternative to a true worm gear on a cheap dividing head, but in that application it is only the centre of the teeth that have contact with a worm and you can sort of get away with it.

              Phil

               

              PS. Hopper and JS both type a lot faster than me !!

              Edited By Phil P on 16/02/2017 22:21:18

              #284692
              vintagengineer
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                I will post some pictures tomorrow. They are cut in a straight angle ( I have clocked them to confirm this) rather than a helix and they alternate lefthand – righthand so that they mesh. But because of the angle they have thrust washers on all the gears.

                #284693
                John Stevenson 1
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                  It's a bit like 20 questions isn't it ?

                  #284800
                  vintagengineer
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                    img_1474.jpg

                    #284809
                    John Stevenson 1
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                      That is a helical gear.

                      I'd suggest that you get hold of a copy of Ivan Laws fine book Gears and Gearcutting, No 17 in the Workshop practice series and all will become clear.

                      #284812
                      vintagengineer
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                        @vintagengineer

                        Will do, thank you.

                        #284828
                        Hacksaw
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                          Now tell us what the engine is ! Alfa?  , Peugeot

                          Edited By Hacksaw on 17/02/2017 22:50:19

                          #284831
                          vintagengineer
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                            White and Poppe / Dennis Brothers Motors. Customer cannot get an exact date but we think its a 1914 engine as it has some W+P parts and some Dennis parts. 5 litres, 4 cylinder T head.

                            #284832
                            Hacksaw
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                              I've got a Dennis ..a 36" Blackburn 500cc beast !

                              #285027
                              John Reese
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                                There was a post within the last year or two dealing with cutting helical gears. I searched but could not find it.

                                I responded to it stating that the traditional method was to use a universal mill (table swivels) and a universal dividing head geared to the lead screw. Several members responded with work-arounds devised by model engineers to cut helical gears without the specialized equipment. I searched for that post but was unable to find it. Perhaps another member can post a link. I think you would find it useful.

                                You might need to search for a commercial gear shop that could do it on a hobber.

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                                  Posted by John Reese on 19/02/2017 16:17:36:

                                  There was a post within the last year or two dealing with cutting helical gears. I searched but could not find it.

                                  Here:

                                  **LINK**

                                  And for reference the 'traditional' way:

                                  helical_gear_cutting.jpg

                                  And less conventionally on a vertical mill:

                                  high helix gear cutting.jpg

                                  Neither of these methods produce the correct tooth form, although for many practical purposes the gears work well.

                                  Andrew

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