Fake Mitutoyo indicator on Ebay

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

Posted by Mick B1 on 25/04/2020 14:33:30:

 

It's even possible that the dial printing missed a process and the thing was rejected by Mitutoyo simply because it didn't have their logo on it, then sold on into whatever supply chain ultimately retailed it through the Bay.

These cheapo knock-offs have a whole different mechanism from the genuine Mitutoyos so no way they can be rejects from the real factory, or even made by an authorised subbie for Mitutoyo.

Giveaways include the finger pivot on a Mitutoyo is a tiny ball bearing while on the knock-offs its an adjustable pair of taper points with a threaded lock ring. Visible at a glance . On closer inspection, the Mitutoyo dovetails on the body for mounting clamp to grip on are machined. On the knock-offs they are poorly die cast. There is a difference on the bezel too, I forget exactly what but believe it was the knurling when I checked out mine against the real thing some years ago.

Edited By Hopper on 26/04/2020 00:20:59

Edited By Hopper on 26/04/2020 00:21:34

[jimmy bParticipant @jimmyb]

Posted by Hopper on 26/04/2020 00:17:28:

Posted by Mick B1 on 25/04/2020 14:33:30:

It's even possible that the dial printing missed a process and the thing was rejected by Mitutoyo simply because it didn't have their logo on it, then sold on into whatever supply chain ultimately retailed it through the Bay.

These cheapo knock-offs have a whole different mechanism from the genuine Mitutoyos so no way they can be rejects from the real factory, or even made by an authorised subbie for Mitutoyo.

Giveaways include the finger pivot on a Mitutoyo is a tiny ball bearing while on the knock-offs its an adjustable pair of taper points with a threaded lock ring. Visible at a glance . On closer inspection, the Mitutoyo dovetails on the body for mounting clamp to grip on are machined. On the knock-offs they are poorly die cast. There is a difference on the bezel too, I forget exactly what but believe it was the knurling when I checked out mine against the real thing some years ago.

Edited By Hopper on 26/04/2020 00:20:59

Edited By Hopper on 26/04/2020 00:21:34

Well observed Hopper. The bezel on the "knockoffs" is nothing like any genuine Mitutoyo! (I have a couple of real Mitutoyo's). Also, the box, instructions, test cert and mounting lugs are all different in the cheapies.

Jim

[Grindstone CowboyParticipant @grindstonecowboy]

Posted by Bandersnatch on 25/04/2020 22:54:37:

I'd thought that eBay had changed the rules on feedback a while ago to the effect that feedback couldn't be subsequently changed.

Not true?

From what I can see, you can add further comments to your feedback or you can change neutral or negative feedback subject to a Feedback Revision Request from the seller (which you can ask them for), but you cannot change Positive Feedback once given.

[jimmy bParticipant @jimmyb]

Feedback can be reversed. I will leave a negative if I get no joy with a complaint, usually they will give a refund if you agree to change the feedback.

Jim

[Ex contributorParticipant @mgnbuk]

Matsui TVs were so named because consumers trusted Japanese electronics more than western makes. They were made in South Wales.

So were genuine Sonys – big factory in Bridgend. Previous employer rebuilt a manual Ajax horizontal milling machine as CNC to machine the curved frame that held the grid at the front of CRTs.

Nigel B.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

On the subject of ebay fakery:

**LINK**

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Metal-Lathe-read-description/153887637891

MichaelG.

[Mike PooleParticipant @mikepoole82104]

I hope nobody thinks they have bought a chipmaster for £95

Mike

[Colin HeseltineParticipant @colinheseltine48622]

I'm not quite sure I would class it as fakery. They are using the lathe as an advert header and if you view all the pictures there are photos of welding etc. Nowhere that I can see does it say there is a lathe for sale. They are offering services/training.

Having said that I still do not think it is the correct way to offer a service. Anyone who put a bid in for what they saw in the picture, without reading the description, would need their head examining.

Colin

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Did you read ‘About this item’ Colin ?

I see …

Condition : Used [followed by the ebay definition thereof]

Quantity : 1 available

Brand : Colchester

Treated Material : Metal

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Yes, I know it’s only a teaser, but

MichaelG.

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 27/04/2020 15:11:56

[Clive Brown 1Participant @clivebrown1]

An Ebay ad. is required to offer either a physical item, including downloads, or a service. I don't have a real problem with possible fakery for this particular ad. although the presentation is rather questionable, but I do wonder if it can correctly be defined as a service. Perhaps it's a hire service.

One regular ad. is for machine-tool transport. AFAIK, purchasers are sent a token item to fulfill the phyical delivery requirement, although transporting, say, a lathe does indeed seem a service.

[Enough!Participant @enough]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 27/04/2020 12:44:22:

On the subject of ebay fakery:

**LINK**

…. but they "May not post to Canada". Knew there'd be a catch.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Clive Brown 1 on 27/04/2020 15:33:49:

An Ebay ad. is required to offer either a physical item, including downloads, or a service. I don't have a real problem with possible fakery for this particular ad. although the presentation is rather questionable, […]

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Just to be clear, I used the word fakery because I think the listing constitutes misrepresentation.

Perhaps it is a ‘victimless crime’ … I don’t know, and it appears that no-one cares anyway.

MichaelG.

[Robert Atkinson 2Participant @robertatkinson2]

The lathe listing is agiasnt ebay rules because it avoids their fees with contact info in the listing and is not a tangible item. The say "membership" starts at £1 a day but are charging £95 for a month. it's not at all clear exactly what you get for that. I'm sure the won't let anybody use a lathe 24/7 for a month for £95.

This sort of fee avoidance is common with car brakers, the list the car and then say £1 for a wheel nut or similar and gives a phone number to call if you want anything else.

Robert G8RPI.

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