Coronavirus

[Martin KyteParticipant @martinkyte99762]

Posted by mark smith 20 on 28/03/2020 19:02:38:

Its certainly a strange virus , my oldest son`s paternal grandfather ( from a previous relationship) was in the news having just recovered from covid 19 and returned home , he`s almost 72 and has had COPD for years and fibrosis of the lungs .

The pathogen is the same, but different bodies respond in different ways. Initial viral load and seat of infection will vary as will innate immune response and adaptive immune response. The big variable is the individual.

regards martin

[Ian Skeldon 2Participant @ianskeldon2]

Posted by Jon on 28/03/2020 19:07:20:

Problem is Ian they tell the truth the people will go in to even more panic mode, end result exactly the same there is no cure.

I fully agree that causing people to panic would be counter productive, it's bad enough now, but maybe if people realised that it isn't going to be like mild flu for a lot of us, they might take more heed of the need to the instructions to stay at home where possible. I for want do not want to scare anyone, but I would be very happy if I thought just one person read my earlier post and thought blimey, I am going to do more to avoid catching this damn virus.

To be completely honest I have my own theory that Boris and co have intentionally been infected now so that they can be treated and observed while there are resources available, this is just my own thought and I could of course be wrong.

[Ian Skeldon 2Participant @ianskeldon2]

I meant "need to follow the instructions"

[Martin KyteParticipant @martinkyte99762]

Many of you will have seen this already but here are some very informative graphs.

**LINK**

regards Martin

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Martin Kyte on 28/03/2020 21:03:08:

Many of you will have seen this already but here are some very informative graphs.

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The final graph is very impressive

My positive feeling about South Korea’s approach seems justified.

MichaelG.

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I was most impressed by the South Korean Foreign Minister, on Andrew Marr’s show this morning.

HighTech connectivity being used there, for the global good.

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https://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=150094&p=12

15/03/2020 11:26:06

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 28/03/2020 21:29:56

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

Bojo isn't exactly an icon of male fitness and healthy living and he's apparently doing fine

So I wouldn't be too anxious

 

It does get about easily though

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-52076655

You only need to hang around an infected person for a relatively short time

Edited By Ady1 on 29/03/2020 10:57:25

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

On cruise ships, we can't just leave people all cooped up in massive disease incubators without access to proper treatment.

We need to treat people with as much humanity as we can muster, no one should be blamed for contracting the disease.

It doesn't take genius to come up with plans for bringing them ashore and quarantining them.

Neil

[SteviegtrParticipant @steviegtr]

On the sky news tonight the guy said the words staying home for 6 months too many times for my liking. I was thinking 3 months tops, that's if I live through it. 6 Months . Should have bought more steel.

Steve.

[The Novice EngineerParticipant @thenoviceengineer]

Just watched the film   Contagion …..Hmmmmm …..

You Tube Trailer https://youtu.be/xqLLPG8jMS4

Sobering similarities

Edited By The Novice Engineer on 30/03/2020 00:09:45

[SteviegtrParticipant @steviegtr]

I saw that film. Yes frightening with a source we should not mention.

Steve.

[pgk pgkParticipant @pgkpgk17461]

Posted by Steviegtr on 29/03/2020 23:47:38:

On the sky news tonight the guy said the words staying home for 6 months too many times for my liking. I was thinking 3 months tops, that's if I live through it. 6 Months . Should have bought more steel.

Steve.

When they said 12 weeks I thought 6 mths. Now they say 6mths I'm expecting 18mths.
Just think of any gov project:

"It will take 3yrs and cost 30billion"
"The consultation process has been more complicated than originally thought. But will be completed on time and in budget in 4yrs and 40 billion"
""This department will take charge of reviewing costs, The project will be completed in 5yrs and withing budget because we had a contingency over-run of 10 billion so the 50billion costs is within budget"
"The project planner has resigned. The new planner states he can deliver this project within 6yrs but inflation has taken the costs to 75billion"
"This was always going to be a complex but essential project so delays and costs are acceptable in the interests of providing this infrastructure"
"Tenders for the project have come in at 100billion and from the start of construction to competion will be the 8yrs promised. It's just we start 3 years later than anticipated."
"We have spent 4 years and 40 billion on planning. Construction has started, Completion within 9yrs for another 100billion"

pgk

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Nice 3D model of the virus, here: **LINK**

3D visualisation of COVID-19 surface released for researchers

MichaelG.

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

This mornings report on daughter upstairs, who has had the bug since last Tuesday.

Yesterday she felt worse and was a bit 'down'; more than just being fed-up with being locked in and poorly. Main symptoms aches, hot & cold, sleepy, mild headache (responds to Paracetamol), intermittent dry cough, and slept most of the day. (Previously watched a bit of TV and used her computer.) Ate normal meals.

This morning, refused breakfast and says she feels even worse. Just wants to sleep.

Not too worried because the cough is no worse – she has no trouble breathing. Despite being locked in the same house with an imitation Typhoid Mary I've still not caught it myself. Fingers crossed!

Dave

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Stay safe and well, Dave

… and I wish your daughter a full and speedy recovery.

MichaelG.

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P.S. Too late to edit my previous post, so permit me to mention here

I’ve finally found a TEM image of SARS with a scale bar

[ Covid-19 will be of a similar size ]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/coronaviridae

Edit: Before anyone questions my remark about size …

The referenced document states :

The apparent size and shapes of coronaviruses can vary considerably. Coronavirus particles are basically spherical, although negatively stained air-dried particles are often pleomorphic. They usually have a diameter, excluding projections, of between 80 and 120 nm, although in extreme cases the diameter can vary between 60 and 220 nm.

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 30/03/2020 10:03:52

[David Standing 1Participant @davidstanding1]

Likewise Dave

[pgk pgkParticipant @pgkpgk17461]

Dave,

Hang in there and best wishes for you both. Keep these updates coming sow e all know how it's going for you and probably for us (sooner or later).
I'm sure you've looked up the durations of illness and incubation periods. It may be worth thinking about easy meals/fluids supplies in case there's some overlap if you have friends/relatives that can drop off supplies to your door – paracetamol supplies, bouillon cubes, instant soup, fruit juice, bedside kettle.

Stay well

pgk

[J HancockParticipant @jhancock95746]

Likewise, best wishes, will be nothing short of a miracle if you avoid catching it.

Any idea of original contamination, supermarket ,etc ?

[Kiwi BlokeParticipant @kiwibloke62605]

Dave, best wishes to you both.

[LimpetParticipant @limpet]

Best wishes to you and your daughter Dave, hope for a quick recovery

[OldironParticipant @oldiron]

Best wishes to you both Dave. I hope she feels better soon.

regards

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 30/03/2020 09:37:00:

pleomorphic.

Well I've learnt a new word.

"The members of the forum are pleomorphic."

Neil

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by pgk pgk on 30/03/2020 09:51:11:

… It may be worth thinking about easy meals/fluids supplies in case there's some overlap if you have friends/relatives that can drop off supplies to your door – paracetamol supplies, bouillon cubes, instant soup, fruit juice, bedside kettle.

Stay well

pgk

Many thanks to pgk and everyone else for the best wishes etc.

Good advice about instant soup etc, because if both of us had the bug at the same time, I wouldn't be keen on cooking! Easy food and drinks would be top priority.

As it is, the two of us are doing fine on ordinary freezer, fridge and larder stocks. Although the diet would get increasingly peculiar over time I don't see any problem for at least two weeks, maybe a month or more if I don't mind eating left-over casserole circa 2007!

Been doing bulk meals – yesterday a large Cottage Pie which will do 2 or 3 days. I'm not using huge quantities of cleaning materials, toilet rolls, or anything else. Obviously more challenging if the house contained a full family, or someone needed nursing, or a dog needed walking. Having a downstairs toilet is handy – if we had to share the main bathroom I'd have to clean it, wear gloves etc. But she stays upstairs, and I'm mostly down.

Biggest supply problem is the cat. The stupid animal has taken against eating anything except Felix, probably because someone else is feeding it or it's stealing posh food. Naturally, I've got plenty of Whiskas and Tesco Own Brand. Apart from the Feline Food-Fad crisis, I've run out of tinned tomatoes and wine and am short of washing powder. Expecting my son to drop a delivery off on Wednesday which will restock all those and the fridge.

The need to avoid all contact has probably made Coronavirus feel more scary than it actually is. It's as unpleasant as flue usually is, perhaps somewhat worse, and I'd be very worried if my mother or nephew with lung problems got it, but most people who catch it will be OK. No doubt visiting a hospital would give entirely the opposite impression, but that's where the worst cases concentrate.

I'd love to go walkies!

Dave

PS Herself has just rung asking for lunch, obviously feeling better!

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 30/03/2020 11:39:38:

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 30/03/2020 09:37:00:

pleomorphic.

Well I've learnt a new word.

"The members of the forum are pleomorphic."

Neil

' a sterile mutant resulting from degenerative changes in culture…' Yup, that's me!

[Graham MeekParticipant @grahammeek88282]

Three Cheers for Mercedes F1 and UCL,

They have developed a breathing aid in 8 days that will help alleviate the demand for ventilators.

Regards

Gray,

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by J Hancock on 30/03/2020 09:57:58:

…Any idea of original contamination, supermarket ,etc ?

Key worker, in a team working face to face with clients, including frequent home visits, plus regular contact with other cross-related professionals. Not as high-risk as some occupations, but a more than average chance of picking it up. A colleague has it too, and two more now have suspicious early symptoms.

Some jobs require people to accept risk day after day after day…

Dave

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