Coronavirus

[egaParticipant @ega]

On a lighter note, looking at the Axminster website prompted the thought that one could safely go on a woodturning course where masks are worn!

Edited By ega on 21/03/2020 11:27:26

[pgk pgkParticipant @pgkpgk17461]

slightly more cheerful is the publication of trials with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin

Some treatment help

[old martParticipant @oldmart]

The Helicopter Museum has now closed for the foreseeable future, so I won't be able to use the machinery. I might just switch on my 7 X 12 mini lathe in the garage instead.

[Roger ClarkParticipant @rogerclark]

Well said Ady, I'm totally willing for you to put your money where your mouth is, obviously you have loads of it where some of us struggle by on basic pension.

I know, lets have it means tested, those who pay tax have their rate upped to 70%!!! Now I call that fair.

My last word on this stupidly thought out comment.

Roger

PS oh and who do you think paid off the last world wars debt?

Edited By Rockingdodge on 21/03/2020 11:53:55

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

I'm currently on zero and will only have a basic pension when my time comes… in a decade

While I can guddle about and scrape by there's millions who will be in seriously dire straits within 4 to 6 weeks

and these millions will become increasingly desperate

We live in interesting times

[SamsarandaParticipant @samsaranda]

Ady 1 are you hinting at widespread civil unrest ?
Dave W

[Roger ClarkParticipant @rogerclark]

When you come on to basic pension at 70 or whenever you will understand what it's like, to make a comment like that will just inflame those of us already retired with plenty of time but little in the way of income, my hobby is/was financed from the sale of my previous hobby ('O' scale narrow gauge model trains) which were sold at a much greater price than they cost and is still occasionally financed through buying stuff and selling for a small profit. I don't/can't touch our pensions as that required for day to day living, we don't go out for meals, pub, holidays, we just exist with our two rescue Scotties so please think before you write half *ssed comments.

[Roger ClarkParticipant @rogerclark]

Dave, at least we know who to blame for starting it.

[jimmy bParticipant @jimmyb]

We will all pay for this, for a long time.

Not sure how dumping this on one sector of society is fair, much like this senseless stockpiling.

I dread to think what will happen to industry over the next few months, we lost 10% of our workforce in 3 days!

I'll just carry on, as we all should, follow the government's advice and make the best of it.

Jim

[J HancockParticipant @jhancock95746]

Historic event, entirely the result of decades of 'cheap' goods from Asia.

When the final bill comes in from this, perhaps it would have been 'cheaper' to have been a little more

self-sufficient through those years.

And as for a Sunami ( never happen ? ) anywhere round our coast 'goodbye' wind turbines.

Meanwhile, carry on destroying perfectly viable 4Gw coal stations.

[Former MemberParticipant @formermember32069]

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[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

ALL sectors are in this together. The old (who may, or may not, be able to self isolate) are the most succumbent to the disease, the middle are iffy, the younger may well find hardship – especially those with high debts (huge mortgages, new cars which they don’t actually own, etc – and the youngsters that live hand to mouth.

No point in saying those that don’t have the virus should be free to socialise, as it only takes one carrier to infect a lot of them. I, like a lot on here, am in the oldies group. I know full well that the 177 casualties reported yesterday do not apply to yesterdays known infections – it applies to the number of infections perhaps a week , or more, ago. And nearly all of those casualties are from our age group!

Limpet was spot on – we are most ‘at risk’. We know one couple who are far worse off than us – he has MS and she has serious heart problems along with multiple other issues. I doubt they would both survive, even with resuscitation options available if they get the virus. No, we are ALL in this together.

[old martParticipant @oldmart]

The health service seem very reluctant to test for the virus. They are trying to move chest infection patients to selected nursing homes, who are rightly reluctant to accept them if there has been no test.

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

I listened to Any Questions today.

What was noticeable was an almost complete absence of political point scoring. I also note John MacDonnell, the CBI and the TUC all pretty much supporting the chancellor.

One point made was 'rather than moaning about the long term impact of these measures, consider the long term impact of not acting'.

Right now we are at one of the defining times in history; whatever happens this will be in the books for as long as there are people to write them.

There will be changes at every level, from how we deal with each other as individuals to the balances of power between nations.

It's going to mean difficulties for everyone, not just those who get the disease, but on the upside this could be just the kick up the proverbial the human race needs to realise what is important: health, happiness and our humanity.

It's certainly shown that global action can be taken quickly, and that hoping things don't happen is not a strategy for dealing with potential disasters.

It's also casting a searchlight on social health provision across the globe, and drawing attention to things like TB and malaria.

The biggest risk is that, once the dust settles, all our effort goes into going back to the 'same old, same old'. I'm sure there will be awards and recognition for those whose actions helped, and derision for those who made fools of themselves through mean or selfish actions. But I hope there isn't too much finger pointing.

This may not be the easiest of times, but curiously it's making me more optimistic for my daughter's future being in a more humane and better managed world.

I'm already hearing news of people I know getting better; this isn't the end of all things. Even in the worst case the vast majority of us will be OK and with common sense and care we shoudl all be optimistic.

So let's not drag up this intergenerational finger pointing – I've heard too many stories of people doing great things with small actions from all parts of society.

As bright, active people we can all do small things to help, even if it's just helping others to cope. Let's get to it.

Neil

[J HancockParticipant @jhancock95746]

Precisely those warm feelings were in peoples hearts at the end of the first and second world wars Neil.

Never seems to last long.

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Hydroxychloroquine_final_DOI_IJAA.pdf

[mark costello 1Participant @markcostello1]

FIL gave Us an acre of farm land. Me and the Wife hauled everything that is out here except 4 things. All the gravel, sand, 2×4's, plywood, shingles,nails all but the furnace which is never used, the well, the roof trusses and cement used for the floors. We moved in in early October and it frosted that night. I could look down from the bed and see every corner of the house, no interior walls, no ceilings The only sink was in the basement. Wife went into town to do laundry. I paid a Guy to frame up the house and I did all the rest. Had a sparky wire half the house and I learned and did the rest. Never had a mortgage hardly ever in hock. Bought blocks and materials early and stored Them in Fil's barn. Handled all the blocks 3 times.Scrimped and saved all My life,26 years on the truck that was just scrapped. I can afford a few work shop toys now and for about 5 years I worked a full time job and came home and made the machines earn their keep.

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Posted by J Hancock on 21/03/2020 16:31:07:

Precisely those warm feelings were in peoples hearts at the end of the first and second world wars Neil.

Never seems to last long.

Brought us the NHS and council housing though.

[S.D.L.Participant @s-d-l]

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 21/03/2020 16:31:23:

Hydroxychloroquine_final_DOI_IJAA.pdf

That paper looks promising with the combination therapy.

might be a small sample but reason to do a bigger trial.

steve

[Howard LewisParticipant @howardlewis46836]

For many of us oldies, frugality and "make do and mend" were how we survived the lean times of WW2. MInd you, we had very little option. My Grandfather had a reliable job, a railway guard. When he retired, in the 40s, his pension was the equivalent of 50p a week. So he and GMa lived on £1, but no lifestyle like ours.

We are well off today, if we have all the gadgets in the house and kitchen, two TVs, two cars etc. As an Apprentice never imagined that I would own a lathe!

The thought of having to return to those days of scrimping does not appeal. But the nation survived it, and without Q E, (printing money )

Analysing the figures show the risk to be fairly small, as long as you are in good health. But I fear for those who are not, like a friend whose lungs have been damaged by pneumonia. The risks are much higher for such folk.

Maybe we should stop griping and spend some time to count our blessings?

Howard

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by old mart on 21/03/2020 13:52:40:

The health service seem very reluctant to test for the virus. ….

There's a shortage of tests. It's another reason for wanting to avoid too many sick people turning up all at the same time.

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 21/03/2020 17:09:29

Brought us the NHS and council housing though.

All these really big events generate social change… they inspire social revolutions

1st world war- Representation of the people act

2nd world war- NHS, welfare state etc

If this crisis turns into a long term biggie instead of being a quick fix there could be interesting times ahead

It will not have been lost on certain sections of Government that this crisis may also be an opportunity for policy changes that would have hitherto been difficult or even impossible

[Martin of WickParticipant @martinofwick]

hmmm…

Howard, where were you from super Mac's 'you've never had it so good…' to the heady days of 20% inflation, the humiliation by the IMF and 17% mortgage rates? The printing presses were rolling pretty much flat out in that period, but just made matters worse. The only difference was the most of the money was going to the population in general rather than to financial institutions and billionaires, and just like then QE is part of the problem and not the solution.

They never learn.

[Martin of WickParticipant @martinofwick]

,,,Ady1

and after coronavirus – National Socialism

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

I don't think the British do NS, the 20s and 30s proved that

Europe might get a bit weird, they have a nice superstate system already in place, The EU

Edited By Ady1 on 21/03/2020 18:29:01

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