Coronavirus

[Tony Pratt 1Participant @tonypratt1]

Posted by Limpet on 16/03/2020 14:52:14:

My surgery rang and cancelled my asthma review this morning, but I'm only a few miles from Torbay so it's not surprising. For me I'd rather get it over and done with early while I'm reasonably fit but my wife has just finishing a course of chemotherapy so it's still a case of only going out for essentials as we have since last October for risk of any infection being passed on to her.

Is it time to dig out the equivalent of a nuclear fallout shelter and hibernate in it for the next year ?

Keep safe all

Lionel

Oh that's nice of them!

Tony

[Tony Pratt 1Participant @tonypratt1]

Guys, Guys, there is no way an over 70's 'going outdoors' ban could be enforced, we have bugger all police or army to do it. i suggest it might be sensible but hey who knows?

Tony

[V8EngParticipant @v8eng]

The taxpayer should make substantial savings as the House of Lords will be over half empty with the over 70s not going out to attend there.

Edited By V8Eng on 16/03/2020 15:02:06

[Tony Pratt 1Participant @tonypratt1]

Posted by V8Eng on 16/03/2020 15:00:06:

The taxpayer should make substantial savings as the House of Lords will be over half empty with the over 70s not going out to attend there.

Edited By V8Eng on 16/03/2020 15:02:06

Now that's a good point!!!

[Roger ClarkParticipant @rogerclark]

I think that if, by self isolation or whatever, those of us 'at risk' can avoid getting it this time around then there might just be a vaccine ready for the next dose|||

Just my thoughts

Roger

[Russell EberhardtParticipant @russelleberhardt48058]

Posted by Tony Pratt 1 on 16/03/2020 14:57:59:

Guys, Guys, there is no way an over 70's 'going outdoors' ban could be enforced, we have bugger all police or army to do it. i suggest it might be sensible but hey who knows?

Tony

Here, in France, us over 70s have been advised to stay at home and only go out for essentials such as food and excersise. So I can still garden and take country walks. Oh, and tobacconists are allowed to remain open so if the virus doesn't kill you you can do it withnicotine!

Russell

[martin perman 1Participant @martinperman1]

Can somebody tell me how to un bookmark this thread please.

Martin P

Edited By martin perman on 16/03/2020 16:12:58

[martin perman 1Participant @martinperman1]

Found it

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Tony Pratt 1 on 16/03/2020 14:57:59:

Guys, Guys, there is no way an over 70's 'going outdoors' ban could be enforced, we have bugger all police or army to do it. i suggest it might be sensible but hey who knows?

Tony

Well, we can explore the outer extremes of government power for fun, though I must emphasise it's extremely unlikely to come about.

Briefly, in an National Emergency, the Civil Contingency Act (2004) can be invoked. It allows Temporary Emergency Regulations to be imposed, normally by Order in Council, or exceptionally by a Minister of the Crown.

Temporary Regulations only last 30 days unless extended by Parliament, but – and this is the exciting bit – the only Primary Legislation that cannot be overturned by a Temporary Emergency Regulation is the Human Rights Act (1998) and Part Two of the Civil Contingency Act itself. All other UK law can be suspended or replaced by an Emergency Regulation.

Tony's absolutely right to draw attention to the difficulty of enforcing such extreme measures. But a Temporary Regulation could grow authority very quickly if necessary, for example by giving police powers to Civil Servants, Private Security Firms and others. Police powers could also be extended and normal legal protections relaxed. There's nothing to stop government conscripting a Citizen Militia or Cell & Block Wardens on the National Socialist Model, or introducing Tribunals, Camps, and other unusual measures for dealing with awkward customers. I think I'd obey if I were stopped during an illegal stroll by an untrained patrol of jumpy young men during a chaotic national crisis!

In the event the country is invaded, or civil war breaks out, the Army can Requisition civilian property as required. If they want your house for a barracks or latrine, it can be Requisitioned with almost no fuss. If they decide it has to be demolished, or turned into a fortification, that can happen too. Compensation is sorted out after, but it's rough work.

Brits live in a society that's been politically stable and externally unchallenged since 1945. We've grown used to the idea that water comes out of the tap, food is plentiful, health and pensions are catered for and the legal system protects us. While these benefits may seem to be our birthright, we skate on thin ice. At a personal level, life can go sour overnight due to Cancer, or a Stroke, or Dementia, or an road accident, crime, money or family problems. Society is more resilient, but it too can be badly shaken by 'events'. History is littered with examples of failed societies.

Coranavirus is a major event, but there are many other human and natural risks responsible governments must plan for. Fortunately none of the really nasty horrors are particularly likely, fingers crossed. Some come and go – the threat of Nuclear War and Famine is much diminished, but for all we know a large meteorite is on course to whack the planet next year!

In the event of a really major crisis, it's our job to manage as best we can. That means not panicking and putting the women and children first, not ourselves. I wish I was essential and irreplaceable but none of us are. I'm a bag of vulnerable biological processes, one of billions in a herd, all hoping for the best. Only death and taxes are certain.

Dave

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Chloroquine does show promise; it was sold out about a week ago…

Unfortunately as an old generic drug mass producing it won't make anyone rich, but hopefully someone, somewhere is ramping up production just in case.

Neil

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[peak4Participant @peak4]

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 16/03/2020 16:33:34:

Chloroquine does show promise; it was sold out about a week ago…

Unfortunately as an old generic drug mass producing it won't make anyone rich, but hopefully someone, somewhere is ramping up production just in case.

Neil

I spotted this article yesterday, so maybe someone is thinking ahead, but not announcing it widely to save panic buying depleting national stocks.
I assume, as a generic drug, it should be easy to ramp up production though.

The Australians are doing clinical trials, but not heard about any over here.

Bill

[mark costello 1Participant @markcostello1]

Living "across the pond" I have not heard of Anyone using this calamity as an excuse for buying any more ammo. We don't need an excuse, I think Everyone is busy standing in line to get bog roll.

[Phil H1Participant @philh196021]

Chaps,

No excuses for me now. I have a pile of castings, plenty of material, a huge stash of HSS blanks and the electricity is still connected.

This virus virtually isolates us all according to the news I have just seen.

Neil, just imagine all the articles that are going to be written with all the work being done in the sheds across the country.

Phil H.

[SteviegtrParticipant @steviegtr]

Just reading Phil H1 post. Mnn could be small steam engines going into mass production. Yea.

Steve.

[Phil H1Participant @philh196021]

We could group design a nice small, simple engine and call it the 'Corona'.

[Bill DawesParticipant @billdawes]

My thoughts as well Phil, maybe I will get my Emma Victoria that I have 'making' for the last 7 years (where did that time go?) finished this year!! Bill D

[Bob n AboutParticipant @bobnabout]

I was thinking about a Corona Trophy for the best model built in the coming 4 months.

[nigel jones 5Participant @nigeljones5]

As a professional boiler maker I have been self isolating for several years with no sign of any change. And whats with the loo roll….your more likely to end up constapated than the other way round?

[MeunierParticipant @meunier]

Posted by fizzy on 16/03/2020 20:53:09:

As a professional boiler maker I have been self isolating for several years with no sign of any change. And whats with the loo roll….your more likely to end up constapated than the other way round?

In a panic situation, logic is the first thing to go absent
Previous panic episodes, bread/petrol/sugar, and now loo-rolls. I despair.
DaveD

[Kiwi BlokeParticipant @kiwibloke62605]

In a panic situation, logic is the first thing to go absent

Previous panic episodes, bread/petrol/sugar, and now loo-rolls. I despair.
DaveD

… and in the States, panic buying of guns. Probably as much at risk of being shot by some idiot in a state of panic as from the virus.

[Paul KempParticipant @paulkemp46892]

Posted by Kiwi Bloke on 16/03/2020 23:38:47:

In a panic situation, logic is the first thing to go absent

Previous panic episodes, bread/petrol/sugar, and now loo-rolls. I despair.
DaveD

… and in the States, panic buying of guns. Probably as much at risk of being shot by some idiot in a state of panic as from the virus.

Doh, how else are they going to guard their stocks of toilet rolls? They don't call it the Wild West for nowt!

Paul.

[PlasmaParticipant @plasma]

We are doing similar to many communities and offering help to our older and vulnerable people where I live.

This forum is doing the same thing by providing communication and support in times that are going to be trying for those of us at higher risk from this virus.

12 weeks without contact would be unbearable for me, so let's keep on chatting here with our older colleagues until this thing runs its course.

I anticipate doncaster will be off this year so we need to keep in touch online as much as possible.

Mr Corbyn should be setting an example and following advice if he expects us to do the same. It is for our safety after all, we are not infected and need to stay that way.

Please stay safe and well,

Mick

[Mick HenshallParticipant @mickhenshall99321]

I no longer listen or watch MSM, I am just totally fed up of the doom and gloom being broadcast its getting quite alarming, no wonder people are worried sick, the Zombie apocalypse is upon us. My Wife and I are in our mid 70's with the ailments we expect at our age so we are apparently both doomed, I wonder if we are being distracted from other stuff that is happening,who knows.This will run it's course and perhaps we will emerge the other end a bit wiser, I am off to my workshop

Mick 🇫🇴

[blowlampParticipant @blowlamp]

Meanwhile…

… A 1929 style crash is going on in the background.

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