Adept No 1 or Mal-adept?

[Michael BelferParticipant @michaelbelfer47979]

Identifying my little hand shaper

[Michael BelferParticipant @michaelbelfer47979]

My little shaper has done such long service in a far corner of my workshop as a toe-stubber that I really dont rememember how I acquired it.

Pictures in my album show it is in pretty mal- treated state, but not from any use I have had from it, because I never have actually gotten around to using it.

It _LOOKS_ like an Adept No 1, but all pics of these I have seen have ADEPT clearly cast onto the body, but this one…….totally devoid of any such marking.

My plan is to strip, clean, possibly pain, and sell it.

So two questions……..

1) IS it in fact an Adept, and

2) Is there any value/ interest in such an item whether it is or not?

Michael (In Australia, wherein any interest would have to come from, the weight would I suspect prohibit it being shipped further afield)

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

It does look a bit neglected. Adept 1 and 2 versions had different strokes (and cross travel?). Thus not too difficult to ascertain which model it is.

I occasionally give my Alexander an outing and do use my Drummond. Not a lot but the Drummond is particularly useful at times. I would like to have a powered machine, as the handraulic operation gets harder and harder as I get older!

With only 3 gib adjusters on the ram I expect it is a No. 1

A No. 2, which was mechanised, sold for £52 on epay just this last week.  Someone may be pleased with their purchase but it appeared to be severely restricted in stroke – less than 5” instead of 7”.

Edited By not done it yet on 18/04/2021 07:46:44

[Michael BelferParticipant @michaelbelfer47979]

Stroke about 3.7"

Cross travel about 2-1/2"

There are three tee slots as in Adept 1,

but…… and I wonder if it is decisive, no letters ADEPT cast in the main body ( or anywhere else as far as I can see )

I'd say it was a LOT neglected previously, and I have ignored it for at least 2 decades.

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

Michael,

Edited my post above, after you posted……

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

Looks like an Adept 1

There were a few hybrids made out in Aussie, lathes as well as other tools, which appeared to have their origins in dear old England

Possibly people connected with the original tools who emigrated, or licencing deals with small local machine shops to save the hassle of exporting goods to a destination which was a very long way away for small margins

WW2 also made for unusual bedfellows, Drummonds made by Myford for example, the Aussie government may have made similar tooling decisions via the national emergency

[Peter SansomParticipant @petersansom44767]

Michael

I have one the same as yours, purchased mid 90's, missing the lever mechanism. Has been sitting in pieces for 20 years due to moving house several times and family issues.

On the list to reassemble over the next year.

Peter

[Michael BelferParticipant @michaelbelfer47979]

I have started the cleaning and refurbishment process so now it is in pieces. The clapper-box (is that the right name?) has the remains of what looks to be a decal or transfer logo stuck on the painted part of the casting. As photos 4 and 5 that I have added to the album show, it was originally an elliptical shape but less than a quarter remains. To me it looks like it ended with "ec".

Does this help anyone identify or guess at the manufacturer? Seems less likely to have been a genuine Adept but an antipodean clone is still a possibility.

Michael dow nunda

[ChrisHParticipant @chrish]

I have an Adapt 2 shaper – looking at the pics I do see a ceratin similarity there, so could be an Adapt 1

Chris in good ol' Pommieland

[Glyn DaviesParticipant @glyndavies49417]

Here are pics of the No1:

[Michael BelferParticipant @michaelbelfer47979]

Thanks Glyn, Chris, but if you look earlier in this thread you will see it was reasonably clear that a) it is NOT a genuine Adept, and b) it is much more like a Number 1 than a 2 (Slides travel, number of tee-slots and so on.

But the question on the table at the moment is whether anyone can recognize the partial manufacturer logo pictured?

If not, too late now as painting has moved on far enough that the transfer/decal is now invisible.

Michael

[TendorParticipant @tendor]

Found this at an Australian forum post from 3 years ago. metalworkforums.com/f223/t200445-hand-shaper

A "T.N.C. hand shaper" is described for sale. It has a logo that matches yours. Lathes.co.uk has this in relation to the Adept No.1: "Also made in (or exported to) Australia and marked (like the Adept lathes) as a TNC". Some photos of the shaper itself shown at the metalworkforums link above.

[Michael BelferParticipant @michaelbelfer47979]

Yep, thats a match, including colours. Thanks Tendor

The referred website also links T.N.C. to EMCO which Inbelieve stood for Eastern Machinery Co. That happens to be where I bought my vertical mill-drill, a Taiwanese RungFu clone just before the went out of business in the late eighties.

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