A little rant about Emojis and their kin

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Posted by Bazyle on 17/07/2019 12:47:34:

Can we release some ME related ones? (not that I can see a point in that).

Oh I don't know about that I'm sure there are a few useful ones.

[Enough!Participant @enough]

Posted by DrDave on 17/07/2019 11:19:34:

Coming across an emoji embedded in a sentence forces me to stop, translate the emoji into English and put it into context in the sentence.

I don't understand most emojies except perhaps smile and wink. When I see others I generally assume it's something the author felt approriate and move on. I don't think any new ones will make much difference to that. Not a big issue for me.

(I do occasionally use some of the others here because the selection screen tells me what they mean … which I promptly forget after using them)

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Cornish Jack on 17/07/2019 12:01:05:

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4. As a fully qualified 'old fart' myself, Dave's (S O D) description is very wide of the mark on a personal basis.

The oft-used example of the Judge's 'out of touch' query is, as I suspect Dave is aware, solely due to the need for recorded evidence to be understood by all – not just by the socially limited 'pop-culture'

standing by for 'incoming'

rgds

Bill

No incoming from me, not least because in my wide experience chaps who claim to be 'fully qualified old-farts' rarely are. Cornish Jack is disqualified because genuine old-farts have no idea they're talking rubbish, and Cornish Jack talks sense. I on the other hand might be well on my way to having strong foolish opinions about subjects I don't understand!

Dave

[Mick B1Participant @mickb1]

It's just another evolution of language, and whatever anybody may try to do, languages do what they do regardless and expressions of whatever nature mean whatever their users and readers accept that they do.

They represent a set of new characters which can be called up from a computerised selection, so they don't depend on the user's ability to draw them, and therefore don't require the substantial learning exercise of the reputed thousands of characters of some oriental languages.

Some emojis are useful, some aren't. The selection I get on this site is hugely larger than I know how to use, and come to that I've not seen many of them in other folks' postings either – if I had, I might have a better idea of what they mean…

Edited By Mick B1 on 17/07/2019 17:39:42

[Howard LewisParticipant @howardlewis46836]

tampering with things I don't understand, may expose me to damger, so I avoud it.

Most imojis are not understandable by me, (being non fluent in imoji ) .

Note the space between the last character and the bracket; to avoid an unwanted smileyi!

If we don't like / understand / want, imojis, we don't have to use them!

None too sure about predictive text either, can be a mixed blessing

Grumpy Old Man

Howard

[Dave HalfordParticipant @davehalford22513]

Posted by Blue Heeler on 17/07/2019 01:46:23:

At least the blind will never have to see this emoji

And this one…you have to smile –

well, at least they have people with facial hair and jaundice covered.

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

before we bemoan the collapse of civilisation, bear in mind that the only people who use 'text speak' (or 'L33T as she is officially known) these days are old farts moaning about the collapse of civilisation.

No credible person below the sage of 35 would be seen dead using txt spk.

Neil

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

I guess that if you are a young person from a minority of any kind, seeing yourself reflected in an emoji is a positive thing.

Neil

[Enough!Participant @enough]

Perhaps some of these could be turned into emojis for me (and others).

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Bazyle on 17/07/2019 12:47:34:

Who 'owns' emojis? Is Apple entitled to release them?

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See here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Burge

https://blog.emojipedia.org/230-new-emojis-in-final-list-for-2019/

MichaelG.

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 17/07/2019 23:00:49

[blowlampParticipant @blowlamp]

Posted by Dave Halford on 17/07/2019 18:52:33:

Posted by Blue Heeler on 17/07/2019 01:46:23:

And this one…you have to smile –

well, at least they have people with facial hair and jaundice covered.

We're up to LGBTQQIAAP now, so expect to see a few more 'variants' of these 21st century emoji couples.

[Blue HeelerParticipant @blueheeler]

Posted by blowlamp on 17/07/2019 23:35:25:

Posted by Dave Halford on 17/07/2019 18:52:33:

Posted by Blue Heeler on 17/07/2019 01:46:23:

And this one…you have to smile –

well, at least they have people with facial hair and jaundice covered.

We're up to LGBTQQIAAP now, so expect to see a few more 'variants' of these 21st century emoji couples.

What about tattooed people? They must be feeling rightly discriminated against. I can't go anywhere and not see people proudly wearing ink. Sometimes if I have been a bit messy with the Dykem I feel a bit of the 'in' crowd.

[Danny M2ZParticipant @dannym2z]

Is there much difference between 21st century emojis and these earlier pictograms Ancient Egypt 5000 years ago or the rock art of the first inhabitants of this wonderful place where I happen to live Ancient aboriginal art which predates the ancient Egyptian emoji by maybe 50,000 years or more?

So maybe people are just getting back to their roots, as one thing about emoji that I have noticed is that the better one's are independent of one's native language so one can communicate across the planet.

* Danny M *

[blowlampParticipant @blowlamp]

Posted by Blue Heeler on 18/07/2019 00:27:27:

Posted by blowlamp on 17/07/2019 23:35:25:

Posted by Dave Halford on 17/07/2019 18:52:33:

Posted by Blue Heeler on 17/07/2019 01:46:23:

And this one…you have to smile –

well, at least they have people with facial hair and jaundice covered.

We're up to LGBTQQIAAP now, so expect to see a few more 'variants' of these 21st century emoji couples.

What about tattooed people? They must be feeling rightly discriminated against. I can't go anywhere and not see people proudly wearing ink. Sometimes if I have been a bit messy with the Dykem I feel a bit of the 'in' crowd.

Yeah, and they're only showing couples. Where's the representation for the single, green/blue/pink/purple haired cat-ladies?

Looking again, I see there needs some kind of campaign (maybe a pride march?) to let folks know that it is alright to part your hair differently & be daring in your choice of clothes too!

[FarmboyParticipant @farmboy]

Anyone know what they're for ?

I can see the point of a little smiley face, winking smiley face, etc. to indicate the perhaps humourous intent of the sender and avoid some of the bad feeling generated in recent threads on here, but I'm not sure what any of the new issue would indicate to the reader . . .

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Farmboy on 18/07/2019 10:12:31:

Anyone know what they're for ?

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I suspect that they are 'for' the purpose of making money for someone … but I'm not aware of the mechanism.

MichaelG.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Danny M2Z on 18/07/2019 08:51:29:

Is there much difference between 21st century emojis and these earlier pictograms

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one thing about emoji that I have noticed is that the better one's are independent of one's native language so one can communicate across the planet.

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You make a good point about the historical precedent, Danny … but I have misgivings about successful/reliable communication across the planet.

1. I am not aware of any reliable 'decoder' for these things ['though perhaps google 'image search' might be worth trying]
2. We probably need another revision of 'Usage and Abusage' to enlighten us innocents. [*]

MichaelG.

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[*] the 'Eggplant' [Aubergine] emoji might suffice as an exemplar …

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 18/07/2019 14:47:35

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Update: **LINK**

https://emojitranslate.com/

is available … but I don't know how good it is

MichaelG.

[Mick B1Participant @mickb1]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 18/07/2019 14:46:41:

Update: **LINK**

https://emojitranslate.com/

is available … but I don't know how good it is

MichaelG.

For finding meanings for emojis in common or not-so-common use, it's completely useless AFAICS.

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 18/07/2019 14:18:33:

Posted by Farmboy on 18/07/2019 10:12:31:

Anyone know what they're for ?

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I suspect that they are 'for' the purpose of making money for someone … but I'm not aware of the mechanism.

MichaelG.

I don't suppose many Forum Members are in the target demographic but there is big money in Smart Phones where emojis are most useful. Emojis aren't really for us; they're in the same category as me learning the Flossing Dance to impress young ladies. At my time of life, not a good idea.

The first Smart Phone (Apple's iPhone) appeared in 2007. Since then they've caught on spectacularly and, after only 12 years, there are about 3000,000,000 of them in use today. Large revenues come from advertising, percentages on sale of goods and buying online services such as video streaming and porn.

As 3 Billion customers spend a lot of money, anything that can be done to keep users interested in the media is worth doing. It's very like Neil and Diane encouraging people to buy ME and MEW by arranging attractive covers and wonderful content for our gratification.

In my youth the closest thing we had to an emoji experience was pressing Button 'A' or Button 'B' in a public telephone box. I'm just a tiny bit jealous…

Dave

[DanielParticipant @daniel]

In my youth the closest thing we had to an emoji experience was pressing Button 'A' or Button 'B' in a public telephone box. I'm just a tiny bit jealous…

Dave

Dave,

Could you please elaborate on the pleasures to be had, from buttons A & B in a PTB (Public Telephone Box).

I cannot recall those at all.

ATB (All The Best),

Daniel

[FMESParticipant @fmes]

You got your money back if you pressed the right button – I think that was 'B'

Otherwise you pressed 'A' to connect your call

And Lord help you if you were on a 'Party Line'

Regards

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Daniel on 18/07/2019 16:47:55:

In my youth the closest thing we had to an emoji experience was pressing Button 'A' or Button 'B' in a public telephone box. I'm just a tiny bit jealous…

Dave

Dave,

Could you please elaborate on the pleasures to be had, from buttons A & B in a PTB (Public Telephone Box).

I cannot recall those at all.

ATB (All The Best),

Daniel

It was like playing the slot machines at Vegas! With important news to impart you would trek to the phone box through a blizzard. Often other people would already be waiting to use it. Once in the box you would ask the operator to make a long distance connection for you. She – never a man – would tell you how much money to put in and count the dings as the coins hit bells inside until she knew enough money had been taken. Then the other phone would be allowed to ring. If someone answered, pressing Button A would allow conversation to take place. If no-one answered, pressing Button B would get your money back in a shower of coins. Marvellous! Emotional collapse if button 'A' was pressed and it turned out to be a wrong number.

An international call was same performance on steroids. You had to wait until the operator could get an international connection and it usually took ages. Then a lot more money went in and you got about a minute to chat before the operator interrupted to demand more cash.

Truly living on the edge. This roller-coaster was high entertainment compared with chilblains, boiled cabbage and Boy's Own Paper!

Dave

[DanielParticipant @daniel]

Thank's for the explanation FMES & Dave.

Probably was a bit before my time.

[Nick Clarke 3Participant @nickclarke3]

Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 18/07/2019 17:17:39:

Truly living on the edge. This roller-coaster was high entertainment compared with chilblains, boiled cabbage and Boy's Own Paper!

Dave

I think you left out rickets and transportation for stealing a sheep

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