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    Bjørn Vargset
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      @bjornvargset30829

      Hi, anybody.
      I am searching for someone (company or other) that can produce piston rings for a 1953 model NOHAB diesel. Cylinder diameter is 180 mm. The upper grooves have 5 pc compression rings. The scraper rings are a bit special. It’s two different type scraper rings in the lowermost part. The upper one of these have one solid ring whilst the lowermost groove is fitted with two scraper rings that’s half the thickness of the solid one.

      I will of course produce pics and data when/if this should lead to something.

       

      Brgds

      BjoVar

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      #788884
      duncan webster 1
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        @duncanwebster1

        Google brings up loads of suppliers/manufacturers

        #788928
        D.A.Godley
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          @d-a-godley

          I have purchased rings from. A S Piston Rings , 07723918750 .

          This was some while ago so memory not too clear , but I think they are based near Chesterfield.

          Other than as a customer, I  have no connection .

          Hope they can help ! .

          #788944
          Diogenes
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            @diogenes
            #788975
            Andrew Tinsley
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              @andrewtinsley63637

              Is this for one of the famed Nohab diesel locos? I suppose that they are now long out of service. Fond memories!

              Andrew.

              #789194
              Bjørn Vargset
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                @bjornvargset30829

                Thank you. I will check this one. 🙂

                Brgds

                Bjorn Vargset

                Askim

                Norway

                #789195
                Bjørn Vargset
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                  @bjornvargset30829

                  Thank you.  I will check this one. 🙂

                   

                  Brgds

                  Bjorn Vargset

                  Askim

                  Norway

                  #789197
                  Bjørn Vargset
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                    @bjornvargset30829

                    Hi,
                    This engine built in 1953, was recently retrofitted to a cargo-passenger vessel constructed in 1892 in Fredrikstad, Norway. The vessel has now been completely rebuilt, except for the steel hull. It has all the necessary certificates and is currently sailing with passengers on paid tours. However, we are experiencing issue with small droplets of oil coming out the funnel with the exhaust. One measure we are considering is fitting new piston rings, hence this request.

                     

                    Brgds,

                    Bjørn Vargset

                    Askim, Norway

                    #789300
                    Howard Lewis
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                      @howardlewis46836

                      Are the valve guides, or stem seals, worn?  That might allow oil into the cylinders, to add to the problem.

                      Howard

                      #789326
                      howardb
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                        @howardb

                        If oil is getting into the cylinders, either from leakage past piston rings or from valve guide seals it should be burning it with the diesel fuel and coming out as blue smoke, do you have any blue smoke in the exhaust gas under load?

                        Is this a two-stroke diesel or conventional four stroke?

                        Is this a direct sea-water cooled engine or indirect cooled via a heat exchanger?

                        And what is the engine’s coolant temperature on load?

                        What engine oil spec is it running?

                        An engine model number/hp/no of cylinders would help.

                        #789418
                        Howard Lewis
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                          @howardlewis46836

                          Oil carry over is often caused by glazed bores, usually caused by running at high speed, light load.

                          Short of stripping and deglazing the bores, it may be possible to cure by prolonged high load running.

                          Howard

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                          howardb
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                            @howardb
                            On Howard Lewis Said:

                            Oil carry over is often caused by glazed bores, usually caused by running at high speed, light load.

                            Short of stripping and deglazing the bores, it may be possible to cure by prolonged high load running.

                            Howard

                            Possible but this usually is confined to new or newly rebuilt genset diesel power units, where they are run up weekly/fortnightly/monthly without being connected to a load bank. It’s reportedly caused by anti-wear additives in the lube oil building up on the cylinder walls and not being scrubbed off by the ring pack if there is not enough combustion pressure on light load to expand the rings out against the cylinder wall.

                            I would have thought unlikely in this case as it sounds as if the engine in question is old and hasn’t been rebuilt.

                            Can happen to petrol engines too.

                            #789596
                            Bjørn Vargset
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                              @bjornvargset30829

                              Hi,

                              The engine is a Nohab Polar M45-E, a 5-cylinder, 2-stroke model with 250 HP at 520 rpm.

                              We’ve removed all the pistons and de-glazed the liners, which had developed a slight glaze. The valve guides and stems show no signs of wear. It uses direct seawater cooling at about 36°C, and we now run it on 100% pure mineral oil.

                              For most of our operations, we rarely exceed 450 rpm, allowing our passengers to enjoy the scenic landscapes around the small islands. While the engine crew often pushes for higher speeds, the captain refuses. However, we have two test trials planned for next month, during which we’ll aim to operate the engine at a high load for as long as possible—something we know will help reduce oil droplet emissions.

                              Interestingly, this engine previously served as an exhibition model in Spain and has very few running hours. While we don’t have an exact figure, the cylinders show absolutely no wear. There’s also no sign of blue smoke—everything seems quite normal, really.

                              The latest update is that they’re planning to install a demister atop the funnel. We’ll see how well that works!

                               

                              #789645
                              howardb
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                                @howardb

                                “It uses direct seawater cooling at about 36°C, and we now run it on 100% pure mineral oil”

                                From my experience with a manufacturer, running direct sea water cooled marine diesel engines at a low 36 deg C will likely result in piston rings sticking in the piston grooves due to combustion residue fouling.

                                That is is of course unless you have original manufacturers data detailing that 36 deg C is the correct engine block cooling temperature to run the engine at?

                                How is this temperature regulated? By using a built in thermostat, or by engine room operatives restricting the flow by valves?

                                Normally, a pure mineral oil, without detergent additives, is not correct for running any diesel engine at the low block temperatures required when the engine is direct sea water cooled, that’s normally 50 to 60 deg C.- not in my experience 36.deg C.

                                You need a high detergent content oil to keep the rings free with a sea water cooled engine, not a straight mineral oil.

                                Contact your oil supplier to find out what they can supply to suit the engine, I hesitate to recommend any grade/viscosity of a modern oil, but if it was a reasonably recent engine I would be looking at a minimum API CD spec oil which no longer exists, so again, contact your oil supplier.

                                 

                                 

                                 

                                 

                                 

                                 

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