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  • #871305
    Speedy Builder5
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      @speedybuilder5

      I have an ELS from Electronicleadscrew.com and am very pleased with its capability as installed on a Boxford AUD lathe.  It has an option that I haven’t used but am keen to set up the “limit switches”.  These are usually microswitches, however they stop +or- a few thousands of an inch.  Are there such things as “precision” microswitches.

      Bob

      #871311
      JasonB
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        @jasonb

        Not sure of that particular ELS but the one I used you set lengths by entering them in the keypad and the ELS took care of stopping in exact positions.

         

        Are the limit switches more like you get on a powerfeed and just turn the feed off if you get to the end of safe travel? Same with a CNC the limit switches are at the extremes of travel to save a crash.

        #871317
        mgnbuk
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          @mgnbuk

          Yes – from Balluff and Euchner to name two + IIRC Omron also do them.

          Available as singles or ganged as multiple switches in a common housing & used for CNC machine tools

          Used the first two mentioned & IIRC the switchpoint is repeatable to within a thou. But ….

          …. these are precision industrial items and they are not cheap. Also require the matching hardened trip dogs.

          Euchner distributor used to be in Sheffield. Catalogue on their website is “Precision and multiple limit switches” in the Downloads section.

          Balluff switches are here : https://www.balluff.com/en-gb/products/areas/A0001/groups/G0113

          If you can identify the type of switch you want they do come up on Ebay at less scary prices. IIRC the chisel point type plungers are more repeatable than the roller tip type.

          Nigel B.

          #871320
          Macolm
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            @macolm

            Look on the Honeywell website for precision microswitches. I seem to remember these are good for 0.025mm or better stability, though subject to quite a few to specific mechanical and electrical conditions to achieve this. Don’t be surprised if the cost is similar to your lead screw, though I could be wrong about that.

            #871331
            John Haine
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              @johnhaine32865

              Why would you want that precision? Limit switches are generally to prevent crashes and ordinary microswitches do the job. If you want a home switch for precise tool positioning you can make your own as I have used for the x feed on my cnc lathe for several years.

              #871337
              Clive Foster
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                @clivefoster55965

                Further to what John Haines says repeatability is generally more important than absolute accuracy for things like end point detection.

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                According to Mrs Google :-

                A standard V3-size snap-action micro switch typically achieves a repeatability of roughly ± 0.01mm to ± 0.05mm (approx. ± 0.0004 to ± 0.002 inches) under well-controlled mechanical conditions, though real-world performance depends heavily on the setup.

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                Absolute accuracy tends to be strongly influenced by mechanical play which inevitably varies between switches so simply swopping one switch for another “the same” will give different trip points. Highly commoditised switches such as teh V3 series will show even greater variations as different makers not only have different quality standards but also do the innards a bit differently. Basic V3 units vary from around £ 0.50 to almost £ 5.00 but but the premium versions go up to £20 a pop and beyond. For example Honeywell 19M.

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                Mrs Google says :-

                Loose components, roller rings, or hinge pin tolerances in lever-equipped V3 switches can introduce errors typically ranging from 0.003 to 0.007 inches (0.07mm to 0.18mm) according to machine-shop user data.

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                In practice well controlled mechanics giving repeatable approach to the switch at the same, reasonably slow, speed every time will take up all the mechanical clearances in the same way over the same distance. Variations of less than a thou can be observed from a well made commodity V3 switch. Even the 50 pence cheapies can be surprisingly good. If you are lucky. Changing the approach speed or direction relative to the switch plunger will generally shift the absolute switching point.

                Clive

                #871341
                Speedy Builder5
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                  @speedybuilder5

                  Yes, I can set the “limit” by entering “thread length” but you know how turning goes some times, you don’t know (If you don’t have a DRO) where the saddle is at the moment.

                  So, (using the FEED option on the Boxford, NOT screw cutting) slacken off the feed clutch, engage TURNING on the ELS, select ON and feed FWD move the carriage to the stop position, move the microswitch up to the carriage until the feed screw stops and lock in position.

                  Now engage the feed clutch, select REV on the ELS and Bobs yer uncle.

                  Now imagine you are turning a long groove in a bar, have 2 micro switches (one Left the other Right ) and you could turn accurately turn up to these stops. Using these stops eliminates problems of backlash in the feed motion works.

                  Now, you can’t do that on the ELS using thread length !

                  Bob

                  #871345
                  Speedy Builder5
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                    @speedybuilder5

                    Thanks for the info Clive, feed speeds would be slow and if I got + or – 0.002″ I would be quite happy.  I will have a look at some of my microswitches, remove the roller bits and see how they perform.

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