“Worm Form” cutter

“Worm Form” cutter

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  • #6596
    Michael Gilligan
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      How do I use it ? …

      #113139
      Michael Gilligan
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        @michaelgilligan61133

        I bought this cutter on ebay

        It appears to have been custom ground to "20 TPI Worm Form"

        So … the obvious question: How do I use it ?

        Is it meant to cut a simple gear with the correct tooth shape; or should I plunge-cut to produce a throated worm-wheel?

        Any suggestions ?

        MichaelG.

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        Edited By Michael Gilligan on 26/02/2013 11:44:20

        #113143
        MICHAEL WILLIAMS
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          @michaelwilliams41215

          Hi Michael G ,

          Its a DIY regrind of an ordinary gear cutter for some special purpose . The only use I can think of is to make Meccano style gear wheels which will mesh with any 20 tpi worm .

          Its too big in diameter to make curved profile gear teeth for a proper worm wheel so I would guess that its purpose was to make straight across or angled straight teeth which , to a reasonable approximation , would work for light instrument drives or models ,

          Very unlikely but cutter could also be used to thread mill the worms themselves .

          Regards ,

          Michael W

          #113144
          Ady1
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            @ady1

            Hobbing and worm gear cutting are quite advanced stuff, google has some good hits

            **LINK**

            **LINK**

            #113145
            MICHAEL WILLIAMS
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              @michaelwilliams41215

              Its not a hob of any sort .

              In use to cut worm wheels ordinary ' one tooth at a time ' cutting and indexing would be used .

              #113147
              Ady1
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                @ady1

                Can you not use a "feed rate" with these tools?

                Calculating/getting it right… being the scary calculations bit

                #113153
                John Stevenson 1
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                  @johnstevenson1

                  Really need a shot of the tooth form to get a better idea what the reground has come up with.

                  #113156
                  Michael Gilligan
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                    @michaelgilligan61133
                    Posted by MICHAEL WILLIAMS on 26/02/2013 12:09:08:

                    Hi Michael G ,

                    Its too big in diameter to make curved profile gear teeth for a proper worm wheel so I would guess that its purpose was to make straight across or angled straight teeth which , to a reasonable approximation , would work for light instrument drives or models ,

                    Regards ,

                    Michael W

                    Thanks Michael W, and Ady1

                    That's pretty much what I thought …

                    It should keep me amused for a while; so a bargain at 99p

                    … [plus a rather hefty £2.70 shipping]

                    MichaelG.

                    #113157
                    Michael Gilligan
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                      @michaelgilligan61133
                      Posted by John Stevenson on 26/02/2013 13:13:55:

                      Really need a shot of the tooth form to get a better idea what the reground has come up with.

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                      Fair comment, John

                      I will see what I can do [probably not today]

                      MichaelG.

                      #113163
                      MICHAEL WILLIAMS
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                        @michaelwilliams41215

                        And I have seen something similar before – as a cutter used to make rack teeth on instrumentation slides to engage with an axial worm .

                        Forgotten now but an axial worm worked by a thumbwheel and engaging a rack was once a common and very effective way of getting fine feeds on Verniers and travelling microscopes and sometimes in cruder things like plain slide gauges .

                        A blacksmith's version of the same drive is used in rustic fashion in Stillson wrenches .

                        Michael Williams .

                        #113164
                        MICHAEL WILLIAMS
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                          @michaelwilliams41215

                          — and 20 tpi would be exactly right for Imperial gauges .

                          #122116
                          Michael Gilligan
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                            @michaelgilligan61133
                            Posted by John Stevenson on 26/02/2013 13:13:55:

                            Really need a shot of the tooth form to get a better idea what the reground has come up with.

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                            John,

                            With apologies for the long delay … Here is a close-up of one tooth

                            wormform_tooth.jpg

                            … the overall width of the cutter-blank is 4.85mm

                            Grateful for any thoughts.

                            MichaelG.

                            #122123
                            nigel jones 5
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                              @nigeljones5

                              It has a demonic undertone…send it back from where it came!

                              #122173
                              Michael Gilligan
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                                @michaelgilligan61133
                                Posted by Michael Gilligan on 12/06/2013 20:28:13

                                Grateful for any thoughts.

                                MichaelG.

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                                Grateful for any thoughts in addition to Fizzy's.

                                MichaelG.

                                #122187
                                Anonymous

                                  Given that the tooth form appears to be trapezoidal it wouldn't be much use for cutting a worm wheel one tooth at a time. Unlikely as it seems, I think it was probably used for thread milling the worm itself. Like here:

                                  **LINK**

                                  Quite why an involute cutter is being used I'm not sure, as it doesn't produce the normal trapezoidal form. I guess it might be because the cutter was to hand, and traction engine steering is hardly the most precise of mechanisms?

                                  Regards,

                                  Andrew

                                  PS: It is well worth reading all the pages of the above link, fascinating stuff

                                  #122188
                                  Bazyle
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                                    @bazyle

                                    Since it is straight sided it would cut a rack as MW mentioned. However there is a method of hobbing that uses a rack pushed back an forth but at 90degrees to the length of the rack while simultaneously moving sideways and rotating the gear blank. Then a variation on that is to use a single tooth rack that rotates to cut better.

                                    #122190
                                    Michael Gilligan
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                                      @michaelgilligan61133

                                      Andrew & Bazyle,

                                      Thanks for your comments … I will read that link tomorrow.

                                      MichaelG.

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