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    chris j
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      So I have visited two shows now and came away with a huge feeling of respect for the entrants in the competitions but along with this came a feeling of inadequacy.
      Will this ever go ?
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      #6417
      chris j
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        #102606
        the bear
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          @thebear

          I agree. The answer is, unless a miracle happens and you end up with a few years of free time, before you're completely decripit, looking like a negative. Did you see that Napier 24 cylinder engine? I'd be more than happy just to complete the 3-inch Allchin I started at the age of 17. I'm 44 now. Two other observations: two years ago, for instance, I bought, new from RDG tools, a perfectly made GHThomas Versatile dividing head with a myford spindle nose fitting, for under £200.oo !!! When I remember back 30 years to when a set of Myford coolant equipment was £350, this says to me that it's never been better. Whilst at the exhibition yesterday, Tracy tools remarked that they never saw youngsters round the exhibitions these days, unless it was looking bored, with grandad and dad. And I also wonder, if some of these amazing models are benefitting a huge amount from the march of high-tech cnc help, not that that's a bad thing at all, but it might mitigate your feelings of inadequacy – you might not be on a level playing field any more.

          #102608
          Anonymous
            Posted by chris j on 03/11/2012 11:27:15:

            So I have visited two shows now and came away with a huge feeling of respect for the entrants in the competitions but along with this came a feeling of inadequacy.
            Will this ever go ?

            No, but personally I don't worry about it. Whatever you do there's always someone who is better, faster, more skilled or whatever; that's life.

            Regards,

            Andrew

            #102609
            colin hawes
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              @colinhawes85982

              Some modelmakers are perfectionists and there is nothing wrong with that ,they do superb work which I admire, but I and many others are happy just to make things that work.Don't expect to match ,in the short term,some of the work you have seen at exhibitions but just go at a comfortable pace and skills will creep up on you. Happy modelmaking. Colin

              #102612
              Nicholas Farr
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                @nicholasfarr14254

                Hi Chris, if you continue to feel that you are inadequate (and I presume you mean in making models) then the feeling may always be with you. You should continue to do what you can and learn better skills. Often one can make things and gain experience and find a better way of doing the same job by different techniques the next time.

                I've been in industry, mostly in maintenance all my working life, and have had to make all kinds of things, very often a copy of what has rusted away or of a replacement part that the company didn't want to pay the high price of a genuine replacement part. With this in mind, I doubt that I will ever achieve the same standard as some of the gold medal winners at the shows, but this does not make me feel inadequate, but I'm still learning.

                Model Engineering is classed as a hobby for most people, so you should do what you enjoy doing and not worry about it being in the same league as those that you see in the shows.

                Just keep cutting metal and you'll gain more experience and confidence, and who knows you may one day win a gold medal.

                Regards Nick.

                #102617
                chris j
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                  @chrisj
                  Thanks Guys.
                  Now I'm home things are coming back into perspective a bit.
                  #102620
                  nigel jones 5
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                    @nigeljones5

                    Take into consideration that some people spend upwards of 10 years building their loco…I set myself a target of 12 months, and thats including making the boiler, so I can live with a compramise on quality. None of us live forever!

                    #102623
                    chris j
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                      @chrisj
                      Posted by fizzy on 03/11/2012 12:44:07:

                      Take into consideration that some people spend upwards of 10 years building their loco…I set myself a target of 12 months, and thats including making the boiler, so I can live with a compramise on quality. None of us live forever!

                      None of us live forever.

                      I don't want to sound more depressed than I am but that did occur to me.

                      I'm 57 and when I looked at a couple of the locos I did think "I'll not live long enough to finish one of those" smiley

                      #102635
                      Nigel Bennett
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                        @nigelbennett69913

                        I'm 57 as well and I've built a couple of locos in my time.

                        Like anything else in this world, it's all a case of determination. If you want to build a loco badly enough, you'll build one. It's a case of prioritising your time. If you have to spend seven evenings a week helping your other half watch television, it's not going to be easy. But then, nobody (except LBSC) ever said it was easy.

                        Building a loco as a hobby is like being in love; you have to be really entranced by the loco you're building, so it becomes a labour of love. If you try to build a loco you're not particularly attracted to but you're doing it because somebody said you ought to, that is a recipe for disaster. Choose your project carefully – too much detail on it (say Les Warnett's 9F or something) and you could easily get disheartened; too simple or twee (say Tich) and it might turn you off because you have a hankering for something more true to life. It's your call; think carefully about it, don't rush into it. For a first loco I suggest you build something a lot of people have built, so that all the bugs have been ironed out. A lot of people turn their noses up at "Sweet Pea", but here is a basis for all sorts of variations to suit your own ideas of how it should look – see what others have done.

                        Whatever you end up doing, remember that here is an excellent facility for asking questions about your chosen loco – or whatever you end up building.

                        Go for it – and enjoy yourself doing it.

                        Edited By Nigel Bennett on 03/11/2012 14:41:01

                        #102640
                        NJH
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                          @njh

                          Chris

                          In model engineering I know there will always be someone better than me ( in fact many, many people better than me!) and it's always nice to see just what they can achieve. I stand open mouthed in wonderment at the efforts of those like Cherry Hill and know that I will NEVER get near that standard. I do not find this in any way depressing – just the opposite in fact – it spurs me on to try harder. For me the most important thing is the journey and, if I should ever make that " perfect model" what would I do then?

                          Just enjoy it and feel thankful that you have discovered this most absorbing and interesting passtime – look at the "masters" efforts admire and learn how you may progress your own.

                          Regards

                          Norman

                          #102644
                          AndyB
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                            @andyb47186

                            Hi Chris,

                            It is a normal feeling when you look at you own work that you rushed (as others have said) because you had limited time to spend on it at the time, and then compare it to something that somebody has spent months getting just right.

                            I like to see fabulously well-made items and work out what the builders have done to make them so much better than mine, and then, next time, experiment to see if I can improve what I do.

                            A friend, who regularly posts on here, and I were having the same conversation a few weeks ago. He makes a tool and spends a lot of time tidying it up and painting it. He told me of a chap that he learnt a lot from who would make his tools just adequate to complete the job. Who is right and who is wrong? The answer is that there is no answer. My friend takes great satisfaction in making his tools as part of his main build and displays them to his satisfaction. The other chap took great pride in the finished article. I tend to make things that serve a purpose. I prefer oil to paint. My tools do the job required but only I have to see them. I don't show them because they don't look very nice. My projects improve with each hour in the shed of earthly delights because I try to emulate those better than me, but, as long as they work, I don't mind so much what they look like.

                            My engines will never be as good as my friend's, but, as he says, he has been doing this for thirty years, I have only been doing it for three…

                            Andy

                            #102648
                            chris stephens
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                              @chrisstephens63393

                              I think the answer is to do the best you can and if it is not good enough for others that is their problem not yours.

                              chriStephens

                              #102651
                              chris j
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                                @chrisj
                                Thanks guys.
                                I am slowly cheering myself up smiley
                                #102655
                                V8Eng
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                                  @v8eng

                                  There is also the problem that most people who indulge in constructive Hobbies like ours tend to be their own biggest critics.

                                  When looking at our own models we see any imperfections instantly but might not appraise the whole item, whereas people visiting your house etc will be admiring the finished product.

                                  #102657
                                  NJH
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                                    @njh

                                    Yep V8Eng – or in my case several not yet finished products!

                                    N

                                    #102660
                                    V8Eng
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                                      @v8eng

                                      Yes, I have number of those as well, tend to keep them out of sight !

                                      Edited By V8Eng on 03/11/2012 17:08:34

                                      #102673
                                      Russell Eberhardt
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                                        @russelleberhardt48058
                                        Posted by chris j on 03/11/2012 13:14:55:

                                        I'm 57 and when I looked at a couple of the locos I did think "I'll not live long enough to finish one of those" smiley

                                        I'm 67 and building a 5" guage loco. I intend to be around to finish it. I anso started in ME when I was 57.

                                        Russell

                                        #102679
                                        DMB
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                                          @dmb

                                          I also still have a loco proj. to finish, which I hope to achieve before no. 2 proj; getting back more in OAP pension payments than the total NHI contributions paid in!! B4 I snuff it. Hopefully, also finish all the other projects that I have got started

                                          John

                                          #102716
                                          Gordon W
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                                            @gordonw

                                            Yesterday I got my little toy steam engine running for the first time on steam ! Built from a "kit". Silver soldered brass boiler, little brass flywheel etc.. It is not well finished ,by most standards, even the varnish has run. But I'm quite pleased. How long did it take ? 21/2 years.

                                            #102731
                                            Ian S C
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                                              @iansc

                                              You can always look at things a different way, it won't be too hard to find a modeler who is worse than you are, don't despise him, help him, in helping you learn too, also it helps you feel good. Ian S C

                                              #102732
                                              chris j
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                                                @chrisj
                                                Posted by Ian S C on 04/11/2012 11:46:09:

                                                You can always look at things a different way, it won't be too hard to find a modeler who is worse than you are, don't despise him, help him, in helping you learn too, also it helps you feel good. Ian S C

                                                Good idea Ian, if only I could find one !!

                                                #102748
                                                Ian S C
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                                                  @iansc

                                                  He's proberbly keeping his head down chris j. Ian S C

                                                  #102768
                                                  Grizzly bear
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                                                    @grizzlybear

                                                    Ian S C, I like your angle on the subject. It is relevant in all things, not just our hobby. The master always learns from the student.

                                                    Regards Bear..

                                                    #103053
                                                    Dave Jones 1
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                                                      @davejones1

                                                      My opinion is that the models we make are essentially a kit of parts. At the beginner end of the spectrum if you had the time/funds to make each part upto exhibition quality then you would be well on the way to an exhibition quality model (with enough not upto scratch parts to make about a dozen working but not upto scratch models). Myself however, with a full time job, mortgage, little one etc I am just happy to get a few hours in the workshop without being distracted, if the finished article works and looks acceptable then its good enough for me!

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