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    shaun pearce
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      #89519
      shaun pearce
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        hi all im new here and a complete newby to lathes etc, ive got a quick question if any body could help me it would be much appreciated.

        im trying to wire my lathe up to a dewhurst switch the terminal in the motor say K, AZ, A, Z and S what goes where please this is drving me mad?

        thanks

        #89539
        David Littlewood
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          Shaun,

          *Please* don't take this the wrong way, or think I'm being unhelpful here – but if you find wiring a motor to a fwd/off/reverse switch to be so confusing, don't you think it would be safer to ask someone more knowledgeable to do it for you? We'd hate to lose you as soon as you joined us!

          David

          #89540
          shaun pearce
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            i see what your saying.

            the reason its confusing is because the myford manual says a1, a2 ,z1 and z2 where as the motor it self doesnt, it says K, AZ, A, Z and S

            #89549
            Richard Parsons
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              Shaun I will agree with David. Get yourself a real professional to do the job, not an ordinary domestic wireman.

              But to help you understand what is going on, your motor is an AC induction motor (AKA a ‘Squirrel Cage’ motor). These basically have two sets of winding (Coils). These are ‘Running windings’ (often called A1 and A2) and the ‘Starting windings’ (often called Z1 and Z2).

              From your ‘lettering’ I think you have a motor with a centrifugal switch and a (perhaps a capacitator). The extra wire takes power to this switch which opens cutting off power to the starting windings which are no longer needed.

              The Dewhurst (Drum) switch is joined to the motor by four wires (PLUS THE EARTH). In the switch there are 8 numbered screws in the switch the basic plan is as follows

              Line in (brown) =1

              Neutral in (blue) =3

              Start winding (z1) = 2

              Start winding (z2) =6

              Run winding (a1) =7

              Run winding (a2) =5

              4 & 8 not used

              AND DO NOT FORGET THE EARTH

              To reverse the motor, the Dewhurst switch reverses the feed to the starting windings. So if to run the motor clockwise the switch would connect say Z1 to ‘Line in’ and Z2 to ‘Neutral in’. To run it anti clockwise the switch will connect Z2 to ‘Line in’ and Z1 to ‘Neutral in.

              If when the switch is wired in and it runs the wrong way (it runs reverse when the thing points to forward there are two things you can do. The correct thing is to swap the wire into Z1 to Z2 and Z2 to Z1 i.e. swap wires to screw 2 and 6 over, but there is another trick which is to unscrew the handle and put it back in from the other side

              With the Dewhurst you should have a simple stop start switch as the Dewhurst is only a reverser not a start stop unit.

              rdgs

              Dick

              Edited By Richard Parsons on 22/04/2012 17:31:54

              #89609
              shaun pearce
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                thanks for the reply, my handbook for the lathe says the the same as you have just said which is why im getting confused. my terminals in the motor say K, AZ, A, Z and S can any body tell what number in the terminal block goes to the terminals of the motor ie, k to number 3.

                thanks

                #89611
                Will Robertson
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                  Hi Shaun,

                  Motor wiring like this is often beyond the scope of domestic electricians. I reckon that the safest thing to do would be to speak to the manufacturer of the lathe (Myford) or the manufacturer of the motor by phone or email them (perhaps with a photo of the terminal block) and ask their advice. They should be able to send you a data sheet clarifying things.

                  Bear in mind that it's possible that someone could have replaced the original motor in your lathe with a new motor and that this could be the cause of the confusion.

                  If you're really confident with motors then some investigating with a multimeter may help clarify things but this is only helpful if you're really sure of what sort of motor you've got and the characteristics of the different coils so in this case it's probably not helpful.

                  Will

                  #89613
                  Will Robertson
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                    And whatever you do, don't wire it up by guess, throw the switch and hope for the best – my late father tried that one and he got a loud bang, a blue flash, a workshop full of smoke and no motor…

                    #89614
                    David Littlewood
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                      Shaun,

                      If you should decide to go it alone, then you really need to bring your knowledge up to the necessary level. You should buy and study these two modestly priced books by Jim Cox:

                      http://www.amazon.co.uk/Electric-Motors-Workshop-Practice-S/dp/1854862464/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1335205610&sr=8-11

                      http://www.amazon.co.uk/Electric-Motors-Home-Workshop-Practice/dp/1854861336/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1335205610&sr=8-12

                      David

                      #89619
                      shaun pearce
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                        thanks for the pointers

                        #89628
                        DMB
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                          Shaun,

                          Give me as much info as possible, e.g., is it a Dewhirst drumswitch? and any names on motor, to enable me to compare with my setup. I can then tell you how mine is wired and its been going OK for years.

                          Regards,

                          John

                          #89636
                          KWIL
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                            Shaun where are you located? Perhaps someone local could help?

                            #89637
                            Les Jones 1
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                              Hi Shaun,

                              I think you need to find someone that UNDERSTANDS motor wiring that lives close enough to you so that you can take the motor and switch to them to identify the connections using a test meter. I have tried to talk others on this forum through doing the tests reqired to identify the connections in the past without too much success. If you live close enough to me I am prepared to try to identify the connections for you. I suspect others that have offered advice and have a profile would be prepared to do the same.

                              Les.

                              #89681
                              Will Robertson
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                                If nobody is nearby then maybe posting a photo of the motor and a close-up of its terminal block might help jog people's memory. It would also let an owner of the same lathe as you confirm whether the motor is original or a replacement.

                                #89931
                                shaun pearce
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                                  hi all ,thanks for the help and offers, ive now had a chap in to do it and its running fine. for the record though i live in tamworth. the lathes in peices being cleaned and checked over,just waiting on parts now but cant wait to get it up and running again.

                                  #89932
                                  shaun pearce
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                                    @shaunpearce59824

                                    hi all ,thanks for the help and offers, ive now had a chap in to do it and its running fine. for the record though i live in tamworth. the lathes in peices being cleaned and checked over,just waiting on parts now but cant wait to get it up and running again.

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