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  • #536295
    Steviegtr
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      @steviegtr

      Sorry if the description is vaque.

      Yesterday i was talking to a friend on the phone. Mine is a new Samsung galaxy S21 ultra. His is a S20 note.

      So he was asking about recording old video tapes to the computer. He has lots of them from the days of old that he would like to put onto the P.C. The conversation lasted around half an hour.

      Last night i went onto youtube. The front page shows things you may be interested in due to what you have watched previously. So half of the video's shown were how to record old video tapes onto the P.C. So just from a phone conversation that happened, which is slightly eerie.

      Is it the Samsung phone. Is it Android, ????. Whatever i would say it is a bit naughty.

      Steve.

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      #36343
      Steviegtr
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        @steviegtr

        A strange thing happened yesterday

        #536299
        DMB
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          @dmb

          Could have been FBI, GCHQ, Russians or Chinese spies or local police. More likely, scammers/hackers trying to pick up more info b4 raiding your bank a/c. Take very great care over your security. Change passwords frequently to break bad effects of organisations leaks, all too common.

          #536305
          Steviegtr
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            @steviegtr
            Posted by DMB on 26/03/2021 14:04:36:

            Could have been FBI, GCHQ, Russians or Chinese spies or local police. More likely, scammers/hackers trying to pick up more info b4 raiding your bank a/c. Take very great care over your security. Change passwords frequently to break bad effects of organisations leaks, all too common.

            Being doing a bit of digging. Google own the android system & it would seem doing all sorts of things to supposedly give you a better user experience.

            I just wonder if our conversation was something private. ???

            Steve.

            #536309
            Jeff Dayman
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              @jeffdayman43397

              There is no privacy on phones or internet either wireless or land network. NSA in the states, and several other agencies, are listening with AI for keywords about crime and terrorism, and have been for years now. 99.5% of the population have absolutely nothing to fear from this, although feelings about privacy may be hurt in the sensitive. Go have some fun in the workshop and stop worrying.

              Oh, and good morning to Fred and Bob at the NSA!

              #536312
              not done it yet
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                @notdoneityet

                Are either of you using alexa, siri, or something similar?

                #536317
                Jeff Dayman
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                  @jeffdayman43397

                  Not me, I already get a barrage of marketing ads triggered by my internet browsing, don't need more. The alexa / siri devices are just data collection / marketing tools. The less I have to do with AI the better, but it is becoming unavoidable if you interact with companies or government at all. Just my opinion.

                  #536331
                  Bazyle
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                    @bazyle

                    So you need to test it by chatting about lathes and machining, or cooking beetroot or whatever. Let us know the best beetroot recipes tomorrow.

                    #536338
                    Phil H1
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                      @philh196021

                      Steve,

                      Have you had the covid vaccine yet? It could have been the tracker that they inject.

                      Phil H

                      #536341
                      Mike Poole
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                        @mikepoole82104

                        It is a remarkable coincidence that I go down the pub and discuss random subjects that I have not googled or even thought about previously, when I get home I will have adverts about subject discussed in pub. I find it beyond chance that Siri was not involved. If it had just happened once then it could be just chance but now it has happened multiple times there seems to be a very smelly rat somewhere, probably called Siri, Alexa, Cortana etc.

                        Mike

                        #536346
                        Ex contributor
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                          @mgnbuk

                          Mrs B and I came to the conclusion that we were being "listend to" by mobile phones some time ago – too many occurences of being "served" adverts about things we had been talking about for these to be a random occurence.

                          The price you pay for using Google, Android phone etc.

                          Nigel B.

                          #536375
                          Samsaranda
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                            @samsaranda

                            It is an established fact that your mobile phone will listen to your conversations, I don’t mean those using the phone to communicate but any conversation that it can hear, we don’t switch our phones off when not making calls but the phone is still active and able to listen in to what is going on around it, just like Alexa does. Dave W

                            #536399
                            J Hancock
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                              @jhancock95746

                              Afraid so folks, if you really are up to 'no good', best keep it to sending letters and even hope they are not being opened !

                              #536406
                              Bill Phinn
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                                @billphinn90025

                                I've never experienced this problem as I don't own a smart phone and never intend to own one, but if you have any social media accounts, Steve, [e.g. Facebook, Instagram] is there a "use my microphone" option on these accounts you can turn off? This may help.

                                Then again…

                                #536433
                                Steviegtr
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                                  @steviegtr
                                  Posted by Phil H1 on 26/03/2021 15:44:11:

                                  Steve,

                                  Have you had the covid vaccine yet? It could have been the tracker that they inject.

                                  Phil H

                                  Funny you should ask that. Yes i had it a while ago. You got me thinking now. My left eye keeps changing colour so you are probably right. P.S yes there is a Alexa in the front room.

                                  Steve.

                                  #536441
                                  Nigel Graham 2
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                                    @nigelgraham2

                                    Samasaranda –

                                    Is that really "established fact" that your 'phone will go into an eavesdropping mode (like Alexa) when you are not making a call?

                                    Alexa yes, but a portable 'phone? I doubt that! It would need to be on transmit mode all the time, or perhaps at frequent intervals. Also, their microphones are not ever so sensitive although judging by the antics of some users you see (and hear) out and about, they must be fairly omnidirectional.

                                    It may depend on the model of course. I won't have a "smart" phone. I tried one for a few months then replaced it with a basic, PAYG, voice and text-by-button instrument rated at 3G (though I don't know what that really means). Allegedly you can link it to the WWW but I have not done so, as I think that needs an expensive contract, and be useless on such a physically small instrument.

                                    Easy enough to stop a 'phone eavesdropping, if it actually is of course. If you don't want to turn it off, just place it microphone down on a soft surface.

                                    #536448
                                    Nicholas Farr
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                                      @nicholasfarr14254

                                      Hi, I dare say it depends on what permissions you have your microphone set too. I only have mine set to a very few things and have not noticed any such bombardment about anything that I talk about, however one of my sisters told me a couple of years ago that she would get ads on her iPhone shortly after talking to someone about certain things.

                                      Regards Nick.

                                      #536453
                                      pgk pgk
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                                        @pgkpgk17461

                                        Conspiracy theorists would argue that these items can be switched on remotely and since 'Echelon; has been admitted to one has to wonder what's the latest incarnation in surveillance.
                                        It's probably worth seeding a few suitable phrases into any conversation/…polonium, when are we raiding the hospital caesium?, how do i refine castor oil? and the like.
                                        If you really want to get the attention of authorities then try "I don't have a TV licence" or "I'm not paying my income tax"

                                        pgk

                                        #536467
                                        Samsaranda
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                                          @samsaranda

                                          PGK

                                          Having seeded those phrase in an internet communication, should you be worried ? 😳

                                          Dave W

                                          #536470
                                          Samsaranda
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                                            @samsaranda

                                            Nigel Graham 2

                                            Mobile phones are continually emitting signals as they lock onto mobile phone masts, how do you think that police and security services e.g. GCHQ are able to track the transgressors when they have their phones switched on and then lose them if they switch them off. Big Brother is always with you when you have a mobile phone switched on. Dave W

                                            #536472
                                            Andy Carruthers
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                                              @andycarruthers33275

                                              All phone conversations have the capability to be intercepted whether landline or mobile. 30 years ago I worked at a Sattelite earth station and such capability was built in to the infrastructure. Encrochat was recently disrupted implying mobile network surveillance is actively monitored, and a visit to RAF Cosford Air Museum Nimrod R3 will further provide evidence of decommissioned monitoring capability

                                              #536476
                                              Howi
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                                                @howi

                                                I am NOT paranoid, I just know someone is watching me.

                                                just remember everything has a price, including freedom.

                                                If you have nothing to fear, why worry.

                                                Modern technology is wonderful, but comes at a price, if you think that price is too high, don't use the technology.

                                                If it bothers you that much, become a hermit, remove yourself from modern society and see how long you last.

                                                Come on chaps, lets have a smile, the world is NOT that bad.

                                                #536485
                                                Paul M
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                                                  @paulm98238

                                                  I was recently viewing the Ikea website on my iMac, and within a few minutes my wife had ads on her iPhone for Ikea which appeared on her Facebook page. Not the first time this had happened. I suspect it is Google using our IP address and cookies. It doesn't happen if I use Firefox.

                                                  I'm sure it is dependant upon whether companies are paying Google to pass on the data, which may be why it doesn't happen in all instances.

                                                  I agree with Howi, it doesn't particularly bother me either. If I lived in China or North Korea I would worry.

                                                  #536486
                                                  Mike Poole
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                                                    @mikepoole82104

                                                    I can’t believe anyone is sad enough to be interested in me, I have no idea what adverts appear on YouTube as my 100% focus is on the yellow countdown line or waiting for the skip button to appear. I am fortunate that having to think clearly in a manufacturing environment with a crowd round me I have acquired the useful ability to shut everything out apart from what I am working on, the downside of this is that my wife also gets shut out when I am concentrating and wives do like to be heard.

                                                    Mike

                                                    #536491
                                                    SillyOldDuffer
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                                                      @sillyoldduffer

                                                      An intriguing question, closely related to Michael's post on adverts appearing on his TV, and maybe sent to other devices on his network.

                                                      In times past, technology was brainless. Telephones, TVs, Radios, Fridges, Machine Tools, Cars, Aircraft and Toasters were isolated, and, when needed, getting machines to communicate required costly special interface technology.

                                                      Turns out interconnectivity is a valuable feature, the modern equivalent of Whitworth standardising threads. It's not only anti-aircraft systems that benefit from coupling sensors, computers and servos together, it's systems in general. It allows TV viewers to select the programme they want to watch now rather than wait for it to appear on a schedule. Whilst people of my age tend to watch broadcast TV via an aerial, anyone under 50 is likely to be connected to a narrowcast service, and streaming media on demand.

                                                      Under the bonnet there's little difference between a Smart Phone and a Smart TV, and pretty much anything with a display, like a DRO, could join the club. As digital technology is standards based, lego-built, it could be cheaper to program a small Smart TV to be a DRO than to design one: most of the functionality is in software. This is why Digital Toaster are appearing; they don't cost much to make, and might be useful.

                                                      Communications and compute power are cheap enough to be universally on. Once a washing machine's capability was limited by it's mechanical controller. Today, microcontrollers come with Bluetooth, Wifi and a shower of other smart features built in. New washing machines can be remote controlled, report faults, and cooperate with energy management regimes. Or anything else the designer wants.

                                                      Though it leaves me cold, there's much benefit in this to mankind, and the young don't suffer the same culture shock as me because they are immersed in it I desperately read the manual whilst my children just accept it works and press a few buttons. They wonder why I have to make technology difficult by trying to understand it!

                                                      A massive downside to all this sharing is devices that previously didn't have security or privacy implications are now riddled with them. No need to agree Terms and Conditions when installing a basic TV because it's too stupid to do anything unwanted. But there's every need to look at the Ts&Cs and configuration settings of a Smart TV, because the thing will initially obey the sellers instructions, possibly detecting speech like Alexa, rather than enforcing your privacy. Several third parties are involved. And, as a Smart TV is a network connected computer, it might be hacked, for example by an outsider turning on the webcam and watching you.

                                                      Living in a democracy I'm not too concerned about the state monitoring what I'm up to. Privacy intrusions are much more worrying, because who collects information and what it's used for is almost completely out of control. Private information is bought and sold internationally and it can be collated, cross-referenced, sorted, associated, and analysed in a multitude of ways. Not difficult to identify individuals from supposedly anonymous data-sets. Most data collection is innocuously used to target advertising, but bear in mind organised crime can buy the same data to meet their needs.

                                                      No need for paranoia, but cause for concern. I prefer not to be subjected to 'psychoanalytic profiling' by anyone. So I take care to reduce leakage of private information by not sharing it willy-nilly. My computers run on the principle of least privilege (not doing ordinary work as admin, not running Public services, and restricting accounts to only what they need). Settings are altered to refuse cookies, location information, analytics and anything else than can be turned off. Router settings are clamped. I often browse in Private window mode, and I prefer Linux to Windows because it's a harder target and provides more control. I don't share passwords or usernames between different accounts and the passwords are a near random mix of alpha-numerics and punctuation at least 9 characters long. Software is up-to-date and suspicious activity investigated. Ad blocking, website blacklisting, and anti-tracking software is installed. Unfortunately this level of control may not be possible on a Smart device aimed at folk who just expect stuff to work. My BT Router is a bit like that: fairly good, except it doesn't allow access to some of the deeper controls available, probably because customers would mess them up.

                                                      A big problem is strong security is a pain to manage and it's so much easier just to unlock everything so people don't have to worry about admin permissions. Most of us rant at minor inconveniences, never read the instructions, and we don't care one jot about security until we step in it!

                                                      I haven't felt it's necessary to set up a Virtual Private Network or any of the other elaborate security precautions available, but I think my next TV will have be crimped by Pi-hole, or similar. Technology is double-edged!

                                                      Dave

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