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  • #205558
    Vic
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      @vic

      I've just bought one of these from Chronos and it works very well. Good value and the long blade should last ages. I've tried it on alloy and steel and it cuts nicely without binding.

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      I have an insert parting tool as well but don't like paying £4 each for tips.

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      #17837
      Vic
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        @vic
        #205566
        Mark P.
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          @markp

          I guess that the blades would fit a normal parting blade holder with little modification?

          Mark P.

          #205570
          Vic
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            @vic

            Yes, it's not too far off my old parting blade holder but that has a habit of snapping the blades next to the clamp screw – hence the new purchase. This one from Chronos is a far better design and such good value for money, it was only £18.95 including postage.

            #205591
            Clive Foster
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              @clivefoster55965

              Wonder if anyone has had any success in machining Dickson holders. I rather fancy trying those T form parting blades and have a surplus of MT taper drill carriers which would make nice holders if they could be machined with Home Shop equipment. I know the standard carrier would fit in a normal holder just fine but its always best to minimise overhang and joints. More elegant too and it avoids tying up a standard holder whilst liberating a cupboard queen.

              Clive.

              #205672
              Jon
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                @jon

                Try it on some 6082 Vic, may be ok at start then will pick up 1/4" in very quick with or without coolant. Found nothing to date that will plough straight through without repetitive prising aluminium off the tips. Have downsized to 9 part off tools all quality Arno, Iscar, Manchester with various guises of shaping and profiled tips neutral, left and right hand, makes no odds.

                #205673
                Jon
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                  @jon

                  Try it on some 6082 Vic, may be ok at start then will pick up 1/4" in very quick with or without coolant. Found nothing to date that will plough straight through without repetitive prising aluminium off the tips. Have downsized to 9 part off tools all quality Arno, Iscar, Manchester with various guises of shaping and profiled tips neutral, left and right hand, makes no odds.

                  #205675
                  Bob Brown 1
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                    @bobbrown1

                    I've parted 6082 aluminium around a 2" depth with paraffin as lubricant with no pick up on the tool tip, similar profile T parting tool.

                    Bob

                    #205704
                    Vic
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                      @vic

                      I used suds and it worked well. The top of the blade rolls up the swarf into small balls that then fall off. The same alloy bar cut with both a standard blade and an insert parting tool both collect swarf, the insert tool being the stickiest. I've tried all sorts of lubricants to prevent (alloy) swarf sticking to the inserts but nothing seems to work. I think having an almost polished finish on these T blades is helping a lot. Time will tell but I'm very pleased so far.

                      #205724
                      Muzzer
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                        @muzzer

                        Most insert parting tools seem to be designed for steel. I managed to get some different inserts from Korloy that were described as being for parting alloy. Haven't had a chance to try them yet but stickiness is the last thing you want with parting, so you'd imagine this would be one of the key differences addressed by the different insert.

                        The insert for "loominum" is the un-yellow one. The main difference seems to be the coating or lack of it. If anything the geometry seems even less suitable than the yellow one but I really don't understand the nuances of this kind of technology. I'm looking forward to trying it out at some stage…

                        Coated steel and uncoated loominum inserts.jpg

                        #205766
                        Vic
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                          @vic

                          I've used both yellow and silver inserts in my parting tool and haven't noticed any difference in performance. I can't help thinking they should make polished parting tool inserts like the round and rhomboid ones available.

                          #205792
                          Jon
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                            @jon

                            Have parted several 6 1/2" round think with same style tips Muzzer 3.2 wide but took some doing force fed with coolant. You do get a warning when aluminium is bonding. Have boxes of that style in different drades and finishes all coated.

                            6082 don't often chip break just comes off 1" to continuous. The free machining stuff chip breaks in to small coils 1/4" dia or semi circles and lovely to work with.

                            Uncoated usually but not always works best on aluminiums and the rakes usually different.

                            Broke an Iscar DHDR tool with Teagutec uncoated insert. Debris lodges down the sides plus usual bonding, absolute no warning less than 1 second its all over. Usually you can hear a different tone and feel for it just before the inevitable with other styles. Works superb on steels, stainless, plastics, anything will do brassy types.

                            #212259
                            John Rudd
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                              @johnrudd16576

                              Just ordered one from the same supplier….hope it works as well as described….

                              I've had different types of the bladed variety, all seem to suffer the same binding effect..the latest parting tool I bought is if the wide blade/replaceable tip type and is great on my big lathe under power feed with no problem at all…only criticism I have is the blade width at 1/8" ….

                              #212282
                              duncan webster 1
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                                @duncanwebster1

                                I wonder if Clive Foster ever got anywhere machining Dickson tool holders. I'd like to make one to hold my insert tip parting tool but with a lot less overhang, and I've got a redundant body (toolholder that is, the corpreal one will have to last a few more years)

                                #212321
                                Clive Foster
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                                  @clivefoster55965

                                  Hi Duncan

                                  Sorry I've not yet tried to machine a Dickson tool holder to direct mount an insert type blade holder. Best information I could come up with is that one of the high end centre cutting 5 flute end mills might be able to make a decent job. I've used such for taking taps out so they are certainly pretty capable beasts. They are also expensive and relatively easily broken.

                                  Having more than enough on to keep me busy for ages it hasn't seemed worthwhile to spend time experimenting to do something that falls into the nice to have rather than need capacity. Of course if I ever get the blinding flash of inspiration as to a way they will work without too much difficulty I shall give it a go. Current thoughts are that chopping down one of the MT taper holders I have, and will never use, with a narrow cutting disk in an angle grinder might well expose a surface machinable with my Elliot 10M shaper. May need multiple tool re-sharpenings but shaper tools are relatively easy to do. Angle lip for the bottom edge, same sort of wedge clamp as used in the HSS holder for top. Tapping for clamp screws promises to be difficult tho'. I had one standard holder with a damaged thread (how!) which proved impossible to clean out with a tap. Ended up having to take the broken tap out with the aforementioned 5 flute end mill and getting very precise with a mounted grinding point to take the damaged section of thread out from inside the tool slot.

                                  Clive

                                  #212336
                                  duncan webster 1
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                                    @duncanwebster1

                                    Thanks Clive, I'll give that a miss then! If you need super cutters to machine it down, as you say drilling and tapping for the securing screws is going to be a nightmare. Great forum this, loads of free advice.eone else already knows

                                    #212374
                                    Clive Foster
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                                      @clivefoster55965

                                      Duncan

                                      It was the tapping issue that made me finally decide that life was too short for this project. Considered drilling plain holes with counterbore on the backside using a couple of those super "makes a hole in files" drill sets and loctiting or welding softer plugs in to take the threads. Which is about where sanity kicked in! Especially as I don't even have a set of superdrills.

                                      Of course the forum being what it is maybe someone knows better how to do this.

                                      Clive.

                                      #212390
                                      Clive India
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                                        @cliveindia

                                        I have been using one of these for a while and found it very good for what I want to do.

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                                        #212432
                                        duncan webster 1
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                                          @duncanwebster1

                                          That's what I've got, it's very good, but when held in the small (Myford size) Dickson toolholder the tip is cantileverd a long way from the loctaing face. The idea was to make a holder with much less overhang. I supose I could get the holder ground dpwn and weld the balde to it, but welding steel that can be heat treated is a bit dangerous, heat affected zone and all that stuff.

                                          #212437
                                          CotswoldsPhil
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                                            @cotswoldsphil

                                            I've just bought one of these tipped parting blade QCTH from RDG for my T00 sized Bison Toolholder – it fits my tool-post very well. It also reduces the overhang to a minimum compared to that described above when using a separate block installed in a standard holder. The tip is 2mm wide so has minimum waste.

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                                            Usual disclaimer – just a satisfied customer.

                                            For the first time parting-off on my Super 7 did not involve rubber pants. I have previously only attempted parting-off within the capacity of an Eclipse 5/16 Tool-holder in a rear tool-post. But now, I can attempt, from the QCTH mounted on the top-slide, 60mm 2200 alloy which came away cleanly in small tight curls with a nice fizz.

                                            CP

                                            #212580
                                            Clive Foster
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                                              @clivefoster55965

                                              CotswoldsPhil

                                              Your last post implies that you have area tool post. Is there a reason why you use the insert blade in the QCTH rather than in the rear post.

                                              I've often felt that the advantage of being able to permanently set-up and precisely align a parting tool in the rear post is a major contributor to the commonly found superiority of the rear post on small lathes. Clearly the well known extra rigidity of loosing the inevitable clearances in the top slide and operating the feed screw in tension are important but smaller machines are quite intolerant of small tool setting errors which a larger machine can easily cope with. With a semi permanent mount its worth taking the time to get things really right. So nice to have the parting tool ready and waiting all the time too. My Smart & Brown 1024 copes just fine with any slightly imperfect parting tool setting in the QC post but it would be nice to save on tool changes.

                                              I often suspect the folk who find no great advantage to the rear post on small lathes are really, really good at tool setting, and sharpening too if not using inserts. Folk like me with more modest skills need all the help we can get.

                                              Clive.

                                              #212612
                                              CotswoldsPhil
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                                                @cotswoldsphil

                                                Hi Clive,

                                                I don't do that much parting; perhaps because of past experience! and it has always been from the rear tool-post. It's only recently that I've started to extend the use of a QCTH instead of a 4 way tool-post; so I thought I would try the Insert Parting Holder version described above.

                                                Based on the content of a long and detailed previous Thread about parting, I was very pleased how parting with the top-slide QCTH insert set-up behaved on my Super 7.

                                                My rear tool-post is fitted with an Eclipse 5/16 inch parting blade; but the tool-post has a "boat" for height setting which means that if I extend/retract the (rather flimsy) blade to suit a particular job, I loose the height setting. A better way, perhaps, is to set the "boat" in its neutral position and install a correctly sized shim/packer to set the blade horizontal when on centre height.

                                                My decision to purchase the QCTH version, as opposed to a block for the rear tool-post, was based on the height setting issues the rear tool-post "boat" presents unless I shim/pack as just described.

                                                As a final note – if I was making a number of bolts or nuts I would use a freshly honed and height-set rear setup to save swapping tools. The parting tool would be ground to leave the pip on the waste.

                                                When funds permit, I may purchase a block to install the 2mm / 26mm blade in the rear-tool-post now I know how well it performs.

                                                Phil

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