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  • #14128
    Adrian Downes
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      #517477
      Adrian Downes
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        @adriandownes83818

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        Edited By JasonB on 04/01/2021 18:46:26

        #517479
        Clive Hartland
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          @clivehartland94829

          I think you may find rigidity a problem.

          #517482
          Adrian Downes
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            @adriandownes83818

            Ooops… Hit the wrong button!

            For some time I've been thinking of adding a full size milling spindle to my Taylor Hobson CX engraving machine.

            I was going to make my own spindle but yesterday I rediscovered a rusty Myford Lathe bed with headstock in the deep dark recesses of my garden shed.

            A few hours work & the headstock appears viable – bearingd & tapet socket protectef by old oil – 😁result 😁

            Another few hours & a simple bracket show that it will fit & in the lashed up shown gives a useable surface area of 6" x 18" ish with up to 6" depth.

            Does the panel think that it's a viable project?

            #517483
            old mart
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              @oldmart

              I agree that rigidity will be a problem, but cutters up to 6mm would probably be usable. A bracket across the gooseneck would help.

              #517484
              Adrian Downes
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                @adriandownes83818

                Hi Clive,

                See post above – just a lash up to prove the concept.

                I'm a clockmaker so intended for light duties but yes….. I'd look at fitting it to an angle plate on top of the machine. 😊

                #517486
                JasonB
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                  @jasonb

                  If you are going to be using small cutters in brass etc then you are not going to be able to run that plain bearing spindle very fast so it's going to be slow going. Variable speed spindle with an ER nose would be a lot simpler to graft onto the engraver Or just use the engraver's spindle if you intend to use small tooling.

                  #517489
                  Adrian Downes
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                    @adriandownes83818

                    Hi Mart,

                    As mentioned above intended for light duties & I think its got to be better than using D bit cutters in the engraving spindle.

                    #517490
                    old mart
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                      @oldmart

                       I have used a Taylor Hobson many years ago, and even made a little rotary table for it to engrave instrument dials, and pressure gauge dials.

                      You could also use a die grinder with 3 and 6mm collets in a similar setup.

                      Edited By old mart on 04/01/2021 19:11:19

                      Edited By old mart on 04/01/2021 19:15:13

                      #517492
                      Adrian Downes
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                        @adriandownes83818

                        Hi Jason,

                        I already use the engraving spindle for copy milling & am trying to reduce the strain on the fine spindle & the pantograph joints. Something a little more robust without breaking the bank. Might look at replacing the plain bearings with ball races.

                        #517494
                        Pete.
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                          @pete-2

                          I've got a 6" Taylor Hobson tilting indexing table stuffed away somewhere, how does it hold cutters in the original spindle? Won't it hold small end Mills?

                          #517497
                          Adrian Downes
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                            @adriandownes83818

                            Hi Pete,

                            Engraving cutters are held in a simple taper, usually with a retaining cap & the spindle can't hold parralel sided cutters.

                            A collet spindle that can take small mills used to be available but….. Hens teeth are commonplace by comparison!

                            #517502
                            Robert Atkinson 2
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                              @robertatkinson2

                              Hi Adrian,
                              If you want to help another Forum member, John is looking for a bullwheel and you won't need that one See:

                              https://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=170138

                              Robert G8RPI.

                              #517508
                              old mart
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                                @oldmart

                                I wondered about that bullwheel, but it may be from a newer lathe than an ML4.

                                #517514
                                Nigel Graham 2
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                                  @nigelgraham2

                                  The blurb Taylor-Hobson supplied with their larger machines (such as one I used at work years ago) suggested using them as copy-millers and even lightweight vertical mills for fine work. The latter entailed mounting a steady-bar between cutter-head and machine frame. Indeed we did use ours for engraving out the D-connector holes as well as labelling the aluminium panels for the electronic equipment the company made.

                                  Nevertheless converting one to a vertical mill seems a bit chancy, but it should be OK used within its structural limits and without the pantograph, such as for clock-making.

                                  '

                                  I have what I think is the same model, awaiting a bit of work, principally finding / making a cutter collet and obtaining suitable belt; but I bought it purely for engraving. A proper set of copy would be handy but I do have a rotary copy-wheel so all is not lost – just one character at a time and due care for proportional spacing..

                                  I recall one particularly unusual task at work though. We had to make a stylus for a special plotter, and the body of it was two pieces of bronze shim folder and joined by slits and tags. The big problem was making the slits, maybe only about 0.3mm wide X perhaps 10mm long. I ground a cutter to a very fine tip, and used that with a large reduction on the pantograph. It took a few attempts as the cutter tip was so thin it broke easily, but eventually I succeeded, testing the slits with an off-cut of the shim.

                                  #517515
                                  Robert Atkinson 2
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                                    @robertatkinson2
                                    Posted by old mart on 04/01/2021 20:02:09:

                                    I wondered about that bullwheel, but it may be from a newer lathe than an ML4.

                                    I'm pretty sure it is from a mid to late ML1/2/3/4. It's not a a ML7 or 10 for certain.

                                    Robert G8RPI

                                    #517518
                                    Adrian Downes
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                                      @adriandownes83818

                                      Hi Nigel,

                                      I used to run one some 40 years ago, machining and engrsving large controlpanels for the coal and electric boards.

                                      Have you tried pantograph services? They do drive belts, copy & some spares.

                                      Regretfully replacement spindles are no longer availiabe 😢, hence my desire to reduce the workload.

                                      #517519
                                      Adrian Downes
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                                        @adriandownes83818

                                        Hi Robert,

                                        Would the serial number help identifying it?

                                        I'm pretty sure it's on the bed somewhere.

                                        #517520
                                        Pete.
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                                          @pete-2
                                          Posted by Adrian Downes on 04/01/2021 19:22:52:

                                          Hi Pete,

                                          Engraving cutters are held in a simple taper, usually with a retaining cap & the spindle can't hold parralel sided cutters.

                                          A collet spindle that can take small mills used to be available but….. Hens teeth are commonplace by comparison!

                                          Unfortunately I can sympathise with the inability to obtain vintage machines accessories too well, maybe a spindle built from a straight shank ER collet chuck could work, I think a youtuber Steve Jordan built something like that.

                                          #517523
                                          Adrian Downes
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                                            @adriandownes83818

                                            Robert,

                                            Serial number is LK 462

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                                            #517524
                                            Adrian Downes
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                                              @adriandownes83818

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                                              #517533
                                              Emgee
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                                                @emgee

                                                I had a Taylor Hobson Model K engraver and light milling machine, it had a Tru-taper chuck for the special engraving cutters, this was held in the spindle with a 3/8" collet. I used it for engraving control panel labels and other notices in 2 and 3 ply engraving materials.

                                                To use as a light milling machine the Tru-taper was removed so the collets could be used, they were fixed size 1/8, 1/4 and 3/8", there was as Nigel says a bar fitted to the spindle in place of the depth stop and secured to the column by a 3/8" bolt. Height adjustment was with the knee handle.

                                                A good size working envelope and with small cutters running at high speeds milling of brass, aluminium and with less rpm soft plastics was possible.

                                                Emgee

                                                .taylor hobson model k.jpg

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                                                #517539
                                                Ady1
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                                                  @ady1

                                                  Use tapered spindle collets with a drawbar for best results, 6mm as mentioned

                                                  I use the MT1 chester ones in my drummond

                                                  GL

                                                  #517543
                                                  Steviegtr
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                                                    @steviegtr

                                                    I reckon with a conversion to proper bearings it will be a pretty good setup. More importantly a PROJECT. We all need projects after tonight's news.

                                                    Steve.

                                                    #517745
                                                    Adrian Downes
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                                                      @adriandownes83818
                                                      Posted by Robert Atkinson 2 on 04/01/2021 19:48:15:

                                                      Hi Adrian,
                                                      If you want to help another Forum member, John is looking for a bullwheel and you won't need that one See:

                                                      https://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=170138

                                                      Robert G8RPI.

                                                      My wheel is 65 teeth, 3.35" diametet, 1" bore & 0.501"thick.

                                                      Is it what you need?

                                                       

                                                       

                                                      Edited By Adrian Downes on 05/01/2021 21:50:25

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