Windows 10 Anniversary Edition – Any Experience Yet?

[Frances IoMParticipant @francesiom58905]

mechman – turn off javascript – site is overwritten with flash nasties(which need javascript to function) but I can easily access + download the pdfs on my now somewhat dated firefox browser (under Linux of course!)

[mechman48Participant @mechman48]

Posted by Frances IoM on 16/10/2016 20:45:59:
mechman – turn off javascript – site is overwritten with flash nasties(which need javascript to function) but I can easily access + download the pdfs on my now somewhat dated firefox browser (under Linux of course!)

Thanks Francis… I've seen that advice before, could you / anyone refresh my grey matter as to how to access JavaScript… ( Win 10 )

G

[VicParticipant @vic]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 16/10/2016 19:17:12:

George,

Your link works fine on my iPad … 'though I can't get any further because the site is Flash-based.

You may need to update to the latest version of Adobe Flash.

MichaelG

It comes up with the usual upgrade flash etc but I can still view the site and download plans on my iPad. I wonder what's missing. I thought we were done with flash these days?

[Frances IoMParticipant @francesiom58905]

the simplest is to download firefox from http://www.Mozilla.com + then install NoScript then becomes just a button at bottom of screen
As for Windows I’ve used briefly XP but none any later except for some necessary use in Manx Museum where they installed firefox because the windoze browser was so bad.
It used to be under something like tools or preferences but no doubt by now MS have prevented users from exercising control

I guess you are aware that Flash and Javascript are the usual vectors for malware to get on your machine.
ETA some malware running under flash actually puts up a false page simulating the browser’s page requesting a flash upgrade + kindly including a link to their own doctored version which is just a trojan loader for malware – also as you probably know turning off javascript stops sites reporting back on your browser history etc

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[Enough!Participant @enough]

Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 16/10/2016 19:12:18:

Seems the problem was due to the virus checker running amok after the upgrade,

Ain't it wonderful how nicely these kids play together? Nice that it got fixed in the end.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Vic on 16/10/2016 22:40:37:

It comes up with the usual upgrade flash etc but I can still view the site and download plans on my iPad. I wonder what's missing.

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Thamks for clariying that, Vic

I should really have said that I didn't try going any further.

MichaelG.

[Russell EberhardtParticipant @russelleberhardt48058]

Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 16/10/2016 19:12:18eems the problem was due to the virus checker running amok after the upgrade, presumably not allowing access to anything on D: whilst it was away with the fairies. Daughter spotted the virus checker because it was using massive amounts of CPU.

Windows 10 has its own built in anti-virus system so adding another one shouldn't be necessary and often causes problems. Having said that it's safer to go the Linux or OSX route.

Russell.

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Hi Russell,

I wholeheartedly agree about the relative malware immunity of Linux and OSX, it's amazing what you have to worry about security-wise on Windows!

Good point about virus checkers and how they can interfere with each other. That might have been the real reason for a previously OK AVM failing after the upgrade to W10.

Since retirement I'm ever more out-of-date about the vices and virtues of the various AVM products. I don't know anything at all about the relative effectiveness of the Microsoft built-in. Is it trustworthy do you know?

I ask because although most of my computing is happily performed using Ubuntu, I still need Windows to run various incompatible software packages and to interface with some odd hardware. I'd be delighted to simplify my Windows counter-measures if the Microsoft W10 solution was a good 'un.

Dave

[VicParticipant @vic]

If it says it needs flash some content must be missing I suppose but I didn't look too hard, I just clicked on a few links and it seemed OK. Isn't it about time folks stopped using flash. I thought it had been replaced with HTML5? I suppose there must be lots of "old blokes" sites out there that can't keep up.

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by mechman48 on 16/10/2016 19:01:33:

Tried getting on to Elmer's engine steam plans web site to look at free plans but keep getting 'Internet error' …. something to do with 'malfunctioning ad on' would any one with a spare 5 minutes try & get onto his site & see if they have same error & let me know before I try to contact him as it may be some thing on his end…

**LINK**

TIA

George.

Hi George,

Just tried your link with Ubuntu & Firefox and with Windows 10 & edge. The site works fine with both. It does use flash, which might well be causing your problem. Could be worth reinstalling it.

Dave

[mechman48Participant @mechman48]

Re. above my post; it seems that Win 10 & edge is 'edging' out IE, have tried opening other pdf's & keep getting the message 'Internet explorer has stopped working'. Went into ArcEuro site for a browse, clicked on a link for pdf doc & got the above message… opened the site in edge clicked on the same page & pdf link… opened no bother, yet I have IE set as my main browser ?

I have all the updates for Acrobat reader / flash player etc but it seems that 'edge' is taking priority, not a major prob' as I have imported all 'my favourites' in to the 'hub' but when I've had / got all my links, with links to pdf's, in 'my favourites' in IE it's annoying to have to go through edge to open them now. Seems like Microsoft is manoeuvring to control what we do with our pc's in all aspects… part of the 'new world order' I assume.

George.

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

I should air my main criticism of Windows 10.

If I create a new folder and immediately rename it it locks file manager for a minute and half while it carries out this simple change.

As I can create 20 or more folders a day that's half an hour lost. The time wasted in a year would pay for a Mac.

Neil

[FarmboyParticipant @farmboy]

Neil,

The New Folder creation is instant on my Windows 10 PC, with no delays. The only thing I can think of is perhaps your problem is connected with the indexing service. I seem to remember that slowing things down on Windows 7, but haven't even checked to see if it is active on my current system.

Mike.

[Martin WParticipant @martinw]

Neil

Have just done the same as Mike and creating and Renaming a New Folder was virtually instantaneous. That said I don't have a very complicated file structure which may make a difference.

Martin

Edited By Martin W on 10/11/2016 11:35:04

[AjohnwParticipant @ajohnw51620]

I had to use my win 10 lap top recently to run Ikea's kitchen planning software. It tried it's hardest to update but I just didn't let it do it.

Indexing went into windows a long long time ago. Probably XP. It didn't cause a problem. When added to Linux it did for 2 reasons. One was that there wasn't a utility to initially index all of the files so it kept working it's way through them every few seconds. The other was what it indexed – just about everything imaginable – anything I looked at anywhere, not just files. Maybe win have gone down a similar route and if so there should be a facility to restrict what it indexes.

John

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[FarmboyParticipant @farmboy]

"It tried it's hardest to update but I just didn't let it do it."

How did you manage that? One of my biggest 'issues' with 10 since the last major upgrade is the way it automatically downloads updates regardless of what I'm doing. Wouldn't be a problem with fibre broadband but we still get barely 3Mb on a good day, so I usually go and make a cuppa once it starts downloading updates. At least the updating and rebooting can be held off once it's downloaded though.

Win 10 indexing is tied up with Cortana now, but I've disabled that – as far as possible, along with just about every other 'app' or 'feature'. I basically use the underlying system to run mostly third-party software.

Mike.

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Posted by Martin W on 10/11/2016 11:33:22:

Neil

Have just done the same as Mike and creating and Renaming a New Folder was virtually instantaneous. That said I don't have a very complicated file structure which may make a difference.

Martin

Edited By Martin W on 10/11/2016 11:35:04

I have a nagging suspicion it's a punishment because I switched Cortana off in the registry and so it uses the standard indexing service instead.

I have rebuilt the indexes a few times to no effect.

[JourneymanParticipant @journeyman]

Easyest way to disable Windows 10 updates is:-

Press the Windows key and R at the same time; This will bring up the run dialog box.

Type in msconfig and click OK

You now get the configuration settings box; click on the Services tab.

Scroll down and you will find the Windows Update entry click in the box to remove the tick.

Click the Apply button and windows update is OFF.

If you want to check for updates in the future just do it all again and put the tick back. When you exit the msconfig box it will suggest a restart but there is no need the windows update service stops or starts straight away,

John

[AjohnwParticipant @ajohnw51620]

Posted by Farmboy on 10/11/2016 12:05:59:

"It tried it's hardest to update but I just didn't let it do it."

How did you manage that? One of my biggest 'issues' with 10 since the last major upgrade is the way it automatically downloads updates regardless of what I'm doing. Wouldn't be a problem with fibre broadband but we still get barely 3Mb on a good day, so I usually go and make a cuppa once it starts downloading updates. At least the updating and rebooting can be held off once it's downloaded though.

Win 10 indexing is tied up with Cortana now, but I've disabled that – as far as possible, along with just about every other 'app' or 'feature'. I basically use the underlying system to run mostly third-party software.

Mike.

I must have turned it off when I bought the lap top Mike. I always do on windows

I have mixed feelings about windows updates anyway. More and more security flaws and they always eventually slow machines down. I assume it's still possible to check for updates and select which ones will be installed. I may do that at some point. I'd be surprised if these facilities are now missing as they are the sort of things that IT support people make use of in larger businesses.

John

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[MM57Participant @mm57]

Posted by Ajohnw on 10/11/2016 12:39:39:

I assume it's still possible to check for updates and select which ones will be installed. I may do that at some point. I'd be surprised if these facilities are now missing as they are the sort of things that IT support people make use of in larger businesses

Always dangerous to assume! It's all changing very soon for Windows 7 and 8.1 – MS updates for these will be "all or nothing" and I don't think you will be able to do anything about it…see here

Also, the patch downloads will be very large all the time if I read it correctly

[mark smith 20Participant @marksmith20]

Ive got windows 10 aniversary automatically installed in an update ,funny thing is,it allowed me to look at home workshop forum which ive been unable to access for months , then suddenly the other day another update and home workshop site blocked again!!

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