What’s the best alternative to ‘loctited’

[Ron LadenParticipant @ronladen17547]

I agree Jason, "loctited" will do me fine, life is too short.

[Gordon WParticipant @gordonw]

Just to confuse things a bit more – I just bought some rust proofer liquid for my car, clearly labelled Loctite and branded, seems good stuff for the job, but would not like to hold a shaft with it.

[jann westParticipant @jannwest71382]

Kinda depends on what the loctite was doing.

If it was locking a thread – then "thread-locked" would seem to be the appropriate past-tense verb – "I use a thread-locking compound to secure my nuts when I don't want them shifting around"

If it was performing a chemical bonding process which is not meant to be reversed – then chemically-bonded – "I was somewhat upset when I inadvertently chemically-bonded my fingers to my little willie (model)

I imagine that Mr Loctite might also have some ideas – perhaps you should ask their brand department … as brand genericisation is generally considered an undesirable thing for companies with such well known products.

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Just because a company makes more than one type of product should not be a reason to change what has become the accepted norm.

If I said I was going to hoover the carpet how many here would think I was going to iron it, run a floor polisher over it, or even take it up and put in a washing machine, oven or fridge as Hoover also make these products.

 

Then again maybe I should be encouraging a long winded description as Neil pays by the page in much the same way you bu by the page. I'm sure would rather have the column inches taken up by useful text rather than overly long descriptions of products used!

Edited By JasonB on 23/05/2018 10:21:49

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by JasonB on 23/05/2018 10:18:33:

… If I said I was going to hoover the carpet how many here would think I was going to iron it, run a floor polisher over it, or even take it up and put in a washing machine, oven or fridge as Hoover also make these products.

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But is it really so difficult to say 'vacuum clean the carpet' ?

MichaelG.

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

Michael, see the last sentence of the post you just quoted from.

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

I also think the context in which the term "loctited" is used should be taken into account when deciding if that is good enough or a full spec of what clearances, cleaner, accelerator and actual product was use.

For example if someone is describing how they bonded two bits from the scrap bin together to make yet another tool height gauge then "loctited" would do but if they were describing how they bonded the blades into a high speed turbines hub then the reader may want a bit more information.

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

Googling the term "Loctited" brings up almost 50,000 hits. Its use is ubiquitous.

Googling "Chemically bonded" brings this as the first reference: "Fix the rift between two girls' hearts as you unwittingly form new bonds to help bring their dreams into fruition."

So if you are seeking clarity in a technical article, go with the former. If it's something else you seek, go with the latter.

Edited By Hopper on 23/05/2018 12:19:52

[larry phelan 1Participant @larryphelan1]

Who was it who said "What,s in a name ? Sticky stuff by any other name works just as well "

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by JasonB on 23/05/2018 11:58:11:

Michael, see the last sentence of the post you just quoted from.

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I did see that, Jason … one extra word, to convey relevant information, seems good value to me.

… But I admit that, in domestic converation, I usually just say "vacuum the carpet".

MichaelG.

[EmgeeParticipant @emgee]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 23/05/2018 13:01:41:

Posted by JasonB on 23/05/2018 11:58:11:

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I did see that, Jason … one extra word, to convey relevant information, seems good value to me.

… But I admit that, in domestic converation, I usually just say "vacuum the carpet".

MichaelG.

When Hoover the carpet is mentioned I believe the carpet will be beaten with a rotating brush and suction provided to collect the debris into a bag that can be emptied as required.
Vacuuming the carpet may only remove surface debris, not deep rooted dust.

Emgee

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Emgee on 23/05/2018 13:38:44:

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 23/05/2018 13:01:41:

Posted by JasonB on 23/05/2018 11:58:11:

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I did see that, Jason … one extra word, to convey relevant information, seems good value to me.

… But I admit that, in domestic converation, I usually just say "vacuum the carpet".

MichaelG.

When Hoover the carpet is mentioned I believe the carpet will be beaten with a rotating brush and suction provided to collect the debris into a bag that can be emptied as required.
Vacuuming the carpet may only remove surface debris, not deep rooted dust.

Emgee

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Emgee … Your beliefs nicely illustrate the problem; in that they may, or may not, be commonly held.

MichaelG.

[Cornish JackParticipant @cornishjack]

Gordon Bennett!!!! Angels dancing on pinheads?? Not even close!!

rgds

Bill

[blowlampParticipant @blowlamp]

It's time this thread was loctited.

[Barnaby WildeParticipant @barnabywilde70941]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAB858elJOw

[Brian HParticipant @brianh50089]

I'm not going to let it worry me!

Brian

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 22/05/2018 13:02:45:

While it's useful if authors could specify what they used, they usually don't…

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And, after four pages, it appears that many readers don't care.

MichaelG.

[ken king, King DesignParticipant @kenkingkingdesign]

Bonded covers it, and I suggest the adhesive is identified in folowing parentheses, as in 'leg A and bush B were bonded (Loctite 234). Short and simple, bit like me,(before anyone else says it !),

Ken

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

But what if it's an application where several types would do? What if the author uses what they have, rather than a cheaper or better alternative, simply because they happen to have it handy and it will do the job?

Especially as for it to be truly meaningful we need to know the exact materials and the fit used as well, and then we get to the discussion about whether drawings for a hobby magazine should include fits and tolerances…

In practice, it depends hugely on the context. Securing a pillar in the base of a tool height gauge is totally uncritical (the pound shop superglue would be ideal) but for securing and quartering the wheels of a loco it's well worth takng care with the choice.

I am still waiting for someone to write me a nice concise but accurate guide to choosing a retainer, with the most useful examples from the Loctite range and readily available equivalents.

Neil

[NJHParticipant @njh]

SUPERGLUED ?

Norman

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 23/05/2018 17:31:17:

But what if it's an application where several types would do? What if the author uses what they have, rather than a cheaper or better alternative, simply because they happen to have it handy and it will do the job?

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That's why 'disclosure' is important

Tell the reader what you used and [briefly] why it was used.

… An informed reader can then make their own judgement.

MichaelG.

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Posted by NJH on 23/05/2018 17:35:24:

SUPERGLUED ?

Norman

Superglue is a cyanoacrylate and moisture activated, usually people mean they used an anaerobic retainer (activated by absence of oxygen) by 'loctited'.

[mark costello 1Participant @markcostello1]

By the way and to slightly fog up this field a local Optometrist recommends nail polish as a low strength Loctite(bonded adhesive). Have not tried it yet.

[MWParticipant @mw27036]

As I may have implied earlier, it's a little bit of a "what if" scenario,

We all know that joe bloggs who knows a bit about making is only going to understand you if you say "Loctite" or "thread/stud locker". And it seems to have taken convention, and it doesn't seem like it's going to change soon.

the best descriptor in my opinion, in a generalized technical capacity would be anaerobic adhesive, since that's the family that all the "Loctite's" belong to.

Edited By Michael-w on 23/05/2018 18:55:30

[SamsarandaParticipant @samsaranda]

Neil, I think it would be acceptable for the author of the process to stipulate A was loctited to B using xyz compound and then in notes at the end of the article a note could list alternative compounds that would also be suitable for substitution in the process, the reader could then decide on which compound he would prefer to use.

Dave W

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