What cleaning solution?

[Bob WildParticipant @bobwild67557]

Many years ago when I worked in an engineering company, components were cleaned in a trichloroethane bath. This is now banned, so I wondered if anyone could suggest the acceptable alternative for washing out swarf and grinding paste?

Bob

[Bob WildParticipant @bobwild67557]

[SteviegtrParticipant @steviegtr]

When i contracted to Nestle foods they used trico every Saturday morning to clean there machines down. Each woman was given a 1 gallon steel can of the stuff & they went to work. They were all happy as they were getting time & a half wages. Then it was discovered to be carsonegenic & banned.

They then were given a substance called Solo. It was blue in colour & pretty rubbish but that is what they had to use.

Not sure who made it but it slowly did the job.

Steve.

[Bill PudneyParticipant @billpudney37759]

Bearing in mind that most of the stuff I make is small…model aeroplane engines etc…. I use brake cleaner, or shellite. Brake cleaner is more aggressive and can damage some plastics so be careful!!

cheers

Bill

[Speedy Builder5Participant @speedybuilder5]

I use acetone for a deep clean, easily available off the shelf over here and not expensive, not sure about the UK though! spray "Gun wash" is pretty good stuff and cheap. Neither product do much for your hands – wear disposable gloves.

[Henry BrownParticipant @henrybrown95529]

I recently discovered a solvent that is used for cleaning the expanding foam guns after fitting a new window in the workshop, I had borrowed a professional set up for applying the foam. It came with the gun and I tried it on various bits and bobs and it was brilliant, especially for degreasing, but don't use it on paint and be careful with getting it on your hands. I get mine from Toolstation.

[JAParticipant @ja]

The best I have found over the last few years is Ambersil spray. It is sold by RS.

JA

[not done it yetParticipant @notdoneityet]

Small component parts are dunked in an ultrasonic bath, usually with washing up liquid as the surfactant. Large components are not a particular problem with swarf.

Grinding paste is not (or should not be) a usual regular problem with a lathe or mill. If it is, it is an operator problem that needs addressing.

Do remember that contaminants can still be left on the surface, after removal of grease/oil by the solvents.

Not a recommendation, as there are likely better ones, but THIS LINK is the usual type of safe parts washer concentrate, in widespread use these days. Do check on your search engine for details.

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Assuming we're talking ordinary workshop, Paraffin, Petrol, White Spirit, & Acetone will all do the job, though not necessarily on their own.

Although it's an excellent solvent I avoid petrol because it's a serious fire-hazard and I don't like the fumes.

Paraffin is safer than petrol but takes longer to dissolve oils and leaves a greasy layer. I use White Paraffin as sold for Greenhouse Heaters as a cheap first wash; dirty work is dunked, swirled and brushed to remove loose bits and most oily residue. For smaller objects, I prefer White Spirit for the same job. (Slightly better solvent and less of a greasy layer.)

The greasy layer may be useful as a mild anti-corrosion measure, but it makes the metal slippery and is ruin to paintwork. It's removed with Acetone. The real McCoy can be bought online, but I buy supermarket Nail Varnish Remover, plainer and stronger the better. Nail Varnish Remover is Acetone diluted with up to 20% water and ladies like it pink and perfumed. As a workshop solvent the cheap plain strong version is great, but the ordinary kind works well too. Also SWMBO bonus points for having a workshop that doesn't smell of Lorry Driver's Tee-shirt.

Don't dismiss hot water and detergent. The main problem is drying off which takes ages and is liable to cause rust. I deal with drying by removing most of the water with an old towel or whatever before sluicing or dunking in Meths. Meths removes most of the water and evaporates quickly.

I had high-hopes of Gunk, but it's over the top and too much trouble for small not very dirty items.

Trike was excellent in that it combined the virtues of White Spirit, Acetone and Meths in a single chemical. Unfortunately, every silver lining has a cloud, and Trike had to go.

Dave

Edited By SillyOldDuffer on 03/10/2020 09:16:15

[Clive HartlandParticipant @clivehartland94829]

After using Freon and Inhibited Chlorothene for many tears we had to find an alternative, this was white spirits which was then washed off with hot water and then thenitems placed in a specially made hot cabinet to dry. Items became just hand hot and could be then blown out with and air line.

The iems cleaned were Theodolites completely stripped and other component parts of optical innstruments.

[Steve NeighbourParticipant @steveneighbour43428]

For small components I use an aerosol brake/clutch cleaner, seems to work really well and leaves no residue.

Readily available from the likes of toolstation etc

[john halfpennyParticipant @johnhalfpenny52803]

Get a gallon of brake cleaner and a pump spray bottle. Despite its name, it is a great cleaner and degreaser, used by most commercial garages, and relatively benign.

[Perko7Participant @perko7]

Bicycle mechanics used a variety of cleaners which are designed to get rid of road grime, oily residue etc without damaging paint or plastic components. Nut sure what brand/product names but a chat to them might prove useful.

[Nick WheelerParticipant @nickwheeler]

Posted by Steve Neighbour on 03/10/2020 09:44:04:

For small components I use an aerosol brake/clutch cleaner, seems to work really well and leaves no residue.

Readily available from the likes of toolstation etc

That's what I do. About £3 a can from Eurocarparts.

Bigger, or really dirty parts get cleaned with standard cellulose thinners as it's a lot cheaper. And it's mainly the acetone previously suggested.

[Douglas JohnstonParticipant @douglasjohnston98463]

Lidl in the UK sell 1 litre tins of universal solvent at a cheap price. I think it is mainly acetone and probably makes a good solvent for hammerite paint since branded hammerite thinners cost an arm and a leg.

Doug

[Oily RagParticipant @oilyrag]

+1 for brake cleaner and a 'pump' spray bottle. A 5 litre tin will last the average 'dobi wallah' a long time. For serious degreasing – and here I am talking of removal of petrol varnish off carburettors and de-coking cylinder heads and pistons I use Dichloromethane, and yes it is banned but is still available to 'professional' users (i.e it is only supplied to a registered company not private individuals)

Likewise I still use creosote on my railway sleepers and pergola (erected out of salvaged oak barn beams) in my garden. It gets a coat every 2 years and has lasted for 20 years with no sign of deterioration. Again Creosote is banned for the use and storage by private individuals since the Pesticides Act of 2005, but is still available for farmers. The creosote I have came from the local gasworks (which closed down years ago) but I found someone who had a 40 gallon drum of it and had been quoted £50 to have it removed by a licenced waste disposal outfit. I told him I could do the same for free!

[DollyDiggerParticipant @dollydigger]

Not sure where you are in the country bob, but if near Hexham i have a massive ultrasonic bath at my disposal but its more of the detergent i was thinking i could let you have some of if it helped.

Malc

[norman valentineParticipant @normanvalentine78682]

Cigarette lighter fluid is good and does not leave a residue.

[Ian Johnson 1Participant @ianjohnson1]

What do dry cleaning companies use these days? They used Perklone (ICI tradename) a solvent which is banned.

I use acetone, brake cleaner, cellulose thinners, all work quite well but not as good as the banned stuff

IanJ

[Neil AParticipant @neila]

I well remember the "trich" tank from when I was an apprentice at work, it was a very large affair, about 8 foot x 4 foot x 4 foot deep, so large components could be lowered in with the crane. The actual liquid was below a perforated bottom plate and was heated, you could see the vapour swirling in the tank. There were cooling coils around the top of the tank to keep the vapour in, although when a part was lowered in some of the vapour would come out and that was not very nice. It was interesting to see the vapour condense on the part and the oil and grease just wash off. The tank also had a nozzle that could be used to flush the part with liquid if needed. I can't remember the name of the stuff that replaced it, but it was never as effective.

Other cleaning at work was done it what was referred to as a paraffin tank, but I saw it being cleaned out one day and it was refilled from a 45 gallon drum of white spirit.

At home, I use either white spirit, brake cleaner, isopropyl alcohol or soapy water in an ultrasonic cleaner. It depends on how clean I need the parts to be. For grinding paste I think the first two would be my choice.

Neil

[ShadowParticipant @shadow]

I have had success with Greased Lightning household cleaner. It can also go down the drain. It is safe for plastic and glass but heed the warning about use on aluminum. In normal cleaning on aluminum it is fine but do not put the object in jar as it will eat away the material, that being useful to strip anodizing from a surface with careful use.

[Speedy Builder5Participant @speedybuilder5]

Cigarette lighter fuel – That brings back memory's of BAC Weybridge and VC10s. The wings were placed in a huge jig that could be rotated and tipped about their axis. One wing at a time was placed into this jig, half filled with "Ronsonol" and rotated and tipped for a few hours, drained, dried and then a "slushing" solution (a bit like thinned down Bostik) pumped into them, rotated etc, emptied and dried. All highly volatile and dangerous ! This process was carried out to make the wings fuel proof.

[ChrisBParticipant @chrisb35596]

Posted by Bob Wild on 02/10/2020 23:46:38:

I wondered if anyone could suggest the acceptable alternative for washing out swarf and grinding paste?

Bob

For that purpose white spirit should do, I use exxsol D60 which smells a bit better, it will dissolve most greases, oil and gunked up dirt with the help of a nylon brush. If I want a residue free surface after cleaning with D60, I wipe with isopropyl alcohol. And if a residue free surface is critical then I wipe with aceton or MEK.

[Graham StoppaniParticipant @grahamstoppani46499]

Just a word of warning to anyone using brake cleaner as a degreaser who doesn't already know this. It often contains either Toluene, Xylene or both. They are extremely flammable.

I was the MD of an industrial chemical company and stored both products on site in bulk storage tanks. Our agreed strategy with the local fire brigade in the event of a fire was to firstly ensure all staff were accounted for and then stand back and watch the place burn to the ground!

An alternative to using hydrocarbons for degreasing is to use a heated alkaline bath (such as caustic soda) followed by a thorough rinse. The bath can be as simple as a pan on a stove or electric ring – but not an aluminium pan!

This is frequently used for the cleaning of metals before plating. Specialist suppliers such as YouPlate and Gateros can supply the chemicals in powder form for home use. GP1 Cleaner

Edited By Graham Stoppani on 04/10/2020 07:58:12

Edited By Graham Stoppani on 04/10/2020 07:59:20

[Bob WildParticipant @bobwild67557]

Thanks chaps for all your replies. As a bit of background I should have said in my original post that my immediate need is to clean up the parts of the water pump for my Merryweather Fire King. This has two double acting cylinders that I lapped with grinding paste. The pump bodies have eight ball valves and an internal rabbit warren of holes, many of which are plugged which prevent direct access for cleaning.

So I have decided to use white spirit as I already have a gallon of the stuff.

Bob

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